Enough of these complaints about the game

[Zany]

Enough of these complaints about the game already! "I hate wild animal barbarians! I want civil wars! Give me back Babylon! There's no such thing as a Jewish missionary!" Now the next part might just be a love letter to Sid Meier, but they are doing a great job. What are some of the features you are happy to see included, or that you were really hoping for and had your prayers answered? When I first heard Civ 4 was being made, I was saying to myself "I hope they just make politics an integral part of the game, like customizable governments. And I hope they include religion in some form, oh, and a better scenario editor." Well I got the apparently well-balanced and ingenious (is that a self-compliment? ) civics system and the religion system they're currently tweaking that I'm sure will be great come November. And with this extensive modability, not only can the players rebuild the game from scratch but remember, the XPs can be loaded with new features too then! The only thing I'm a little dissapointed with, although I can't be sure of all the details, is this "world builder". From what I've heard, the world builder only lets you place units and cities, etc. while the next level up (XML-something files) in modability seems to be the place where you can edit unit stats and add civilizations and stuff like that. Now that I've rambled on senselessly, what are your thoughts?

 

[Darwin420]

I'm just looking for another AWESOME installment in the Civ series. I've been playing the game since it first came out, and have never been disappointed (a few gripes here and there, I'll admit).

Anxiously awaiting cIV.

 

[Zany]

So what has really made you happy about the game? I'm sick of these civvers who keep complaining, if they want to change the game they can with those four levels of modding. I guarantee you, Darwin, you'll get an awesome game, and when dozens (very well could be hundreds) of modders get to work changing/perfecting the game right away and when Firaxis will get right to work on an expansion pack, things can only get better!

 

[troytheface]

i agree- especially to the "i hate wild animals" complaint. I say a new graphic of animals on terrain is a cool idea and i hope a lion eats my opponent's settler in multi player. :suicide:
I am sure a croc ate a settler somewhere and there are cases of Killer Whale packs raming and sinking a boat-
As a matter of fact they need more sea stuff and sea animals might be nice-
at least fishing boats and schools of fish - that way ur navy can sink something

 

[Sickman]

Yes I have MAJOR complaint, and that has nothing to do with the game but the behaviour in the forum.

I'm tired to these civvers who think their complaint is so important that they start a new thread just to make a point when there's already one about the subject (or at least very similar).

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=122703

And complaining about complainers doesn't make you any better than the complainers you are complaining about, dear complainer.

 

[sir_schwick]

And complaining about complainers doesn't make you any better than the complainers you are complaining about, dear complainer.

In compliment to his thoughts: who is the bigger fool, the fool or the fool or follows?

I also agree that forum goers could take a little more time to peruse the first page of the forum for their topic. Sometimes I also am guilty of beating a dead horse. However, in response to Zany, these forums were created so we could say everything we want. It would be unrealistic for anyone to expect the game to follow all those suggestions. However learning what people complain about and think will help make a better Civ 4. It would be more productive than saying, "Everything is fine."

 

[JavalTigar]

with as much whining about the graphics and the interface, I actually like the look. I think making it look like a RTS was a good idea. Most RTS are setup very similar. This makes it easy to pick up a new game and be emersed into it in a very short time.

Since they started completely over with the code, wiping the slate clean with graphics is a logical decision. If they didn't, people would have wussed that its the same old thing with new colors! You cant make everyone happy. Using a familar format (RTS) this will help get new blood in the game and keep Firaxis profitable so we fill see CIV 5.

 

[Himalia]

Fundamentally the whole series has been great so far. I would be very surprised if Civ IV was a total let down. Many people will be anxioues about new concepts but many things like this were said about things that were added to Civ III which wernt in Civ II, but hey it all turned out good.

 

[fishlore]

So let me get this straight. In this Civ 4 discussion forum, people shouldn't discuss their concerns? This discussion forum is only for talking about the good stuff? It seems to me that just about everyone with concerns, voices them in a respectful manner in this forum. I could understand if people were being ruthlessly cruel. That doesn't seem to be the case. In my opinion it's important for developers to hear the concerns of the people that are extremely interested in their product.

 

[Zany]

I don't thin I'm complaining, I don't mean to come off as angry about those who are angry. I'm just irritated, in a very calm way, about how everybody is so "concerned" about the game. I intended this thread to be about how at least some civvers out there have positive comments, about how they are happy the developers are putting in some of what they were hoping for.

To you, Sickman, seriously. I didn't notice any other threads about anything like this. Any anyway, if you are criticizing me and accusing me of starting a thread just to complain, then aren't you just as guilty for going out of your way to complain about supposed complaints about real complaints?

So this was supposed to be optimistic, about how Firaxis and Take2 (or whoever is replacing Atari or Infogrames or whoever) have been listening to their fans who basically give them their jobs, and how this game really is going to be good after all, despite the negative forum-poisoning. So basically, if you hate the game don't buy it and if you hate the thread, don't post on it and it will fall into obscurity and won't drive you crazy any more! But yes, discussing realistic concerns in a respectful manner are just fine, and I suppose encouraged so that the best game possible is made. But there is no need to get all worked up over a game being put together by professionals who listen to the fans because that's how they make money!

Have a nice day - Zany.

 

[ThERat]

it's those of us who really play a lot and know a lot of weaknesses and strengths of the current system, that do voice concerns and questions.
What's wrong with that? We don't need a WLTKD forum. Raising concerns can help to improve and fine tune things.

 

[Zany]

Sorry, ThERat. I forgot to include some things in my original post, so I edited it when it was just a few seconds old. I clarified I have no problem with people have realistic concerns and discuss it rationally.

 

[sealman]

I am with Zany here. Complaining about CIV 4 is just plain dumb since we have not yet seen how it plays.

Discussing aspects is one thing, but save the complaints until the game is released. And trust me, there will be complaints because you can not please everyone.

 

[Sickman]

To you, Sickman, seriously. I didn't notice any other threads about anything like this.

Well, of course nothing similar precisely like this isn't in the first page. However it doesn't mean there weren't something very similar already.

Any anyway, if you are criticizing me and accusing me of starting a thread just to complain, then aren't you just as guilty for going out of your way to complain about supposed complaints about real complaints?

Of course, that was the whole paradox of it. You are complaining, I am complaining and everyone else is complaining.

But your message was nothing short of "love letter to Sid Meier" what you mentioned even yourself.
Many threads have complaints some small and some little bigger but there are also been positive things said so we don't actually need any particular new thread about this whole subject.

You could have posted your precious opinion in "Are you are going to buy civ IV?" thread or in the thread I earlier mentioned because they already cover everything you say what is good about Civ IV in your opinion.

Where do you see here forum poisoning?
Of course people bring up different issues they are concerned about and how they see which could better. Isn't that what listening to the fans is all about?

I already cover my position whether I might or not buy the game in the thread I mentioned earlier so that's that.

I am with Zany here. Complaining about CIV 4 is just plain dumb since we have not yet seen how it plays.

Neither there is any point going crazy over it for the same reason.

Have a nice day too to all of you

 

[Zany]

To me forum poisoning is started senseless arguments and voicing unfounded aggravations. Now, I really didn't intend to sound like I'm complaining, I was saying (and my opinion is just as worthless as everyone else's, does it sound like I find my thoughts so precious the rest of the world must hear them for the sake of their own enlightenment? ) I have confidence in the game and how it's coming along, and also I was asking what are some of your favorite features that are being included are? But regardless:

Good day to you too, Sickman. God bless you all! - Zany, the happy guy who complains a lot.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Zany, what's a forum to do than complain? Don't worry, we do worship the Sid, his will be done


Now I'm going back to sacrifice a lamb in hope a very special kind of map (true spherical) will have a place in this new game

 

[Texan General]

I stand pretty firmly behind Sickman on this one. This thread seems a little ironic. The fact that you are complaining about "complaining" is slightly paradoxical. Sickman is also right in saying that some really nice things have been said right along with the numerous "complaints" of this forum. I would also like to point out that without these complaints it is very unlikely that firaxis or take2 or whoever could put out a game that anyone would enjoy much less several hundred thousand or more.

 

[Zany]

I guess people have only read the thread title, or I am incoherent or can't spell or something. What I meant was "Enough of these complaints, what are some of things you are happy to see included in Civ 4?". I wanted to see what people are happy to have in the game, like if they were hoping for the option of having more than one leader per civ (which if I remember correctly, I once saw a thread about that around the time Conquests was new) and then were very pleased to see it. Basically what I meant was t hat I was hoping for the civics and religion systems and I was very pleased when I first read theat they were part of the game and was wondering how many prayers of civvers were answered.

 

[Crazy Eskimo]

Right. see. The problem is that the title of the thread is "Enough of these complaints about the game". So, it gives more weight to the first part of your opening post than the latter.

There was another thread like this a while ago. It just jumped straight into "What do you like about the game" and garnered a fair number of results.

 

[Sickman]

To me forum poisoning is started senseless arguments and voicing unfounded aggravations.

Something like what I did?
Sorry, habit of mine. There's more humour to it than many can understand.
After all this is a forum dedicated for computer game so if everybody could take everything less seriously then we all might be very much closer to being just fine and perhaps concentrated into the most important - which is to complain.

I was asking what are some of your favorite features that are being included are?

Well I mostly covered them thread called "best thing about Civ IV". But I guess it has dropped from the first page already (probably because it took somekind of offtopic-twist I I remember right). I think there (and many other threads)are many positive commentary about the game. I would suggest bumping it up if you wish to discuss the subject or of course it can continue here. I don't dictate what happens in this forum. Everybody can hate or love the game as long as it stays in sensible amounts of threads and posts.

I think it isn't about whether whole game is good or not but how certain parts could be possible improved. Just saying it sucks or rocks doesn't help anyone.
I think constructive criticism is always important and what comes to Civ IV we just don't have enough info only bits and pieces so making complete (p)review about the game is impossible.

What comes to criticism, it isn't only what they added but how it works in the game that matters. We don't do anything with those fancy civicks or religions if in the end they don't work properly. That's why we are here for debating not only about "what to add" but "how to add".