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Most Sundays, around 2:00 PM EST.
As a fair warning to everyone, I will be completely unable to play this Sunday, and there is a slight possiblity I wont be able to for a while.
As for a nation, Quint made a couple of recommendations recently, only an update out of place.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11886686&postcount=190
As of right now, I personally think Novgorod or the light blue country in India are the strongest out of the npcs.
[And Ming, but why would you play Ming?]
Bohemia/Denmark/Poland/Hungary might be a bit of challenge, but all have potential.
As a fair warning to everyone, I will be completely unable to play this Sunday, and there is a slight possiblity I wont be able to for a while.
As for a nation, Quint made a couple of recommendations recently, only an update out of place.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11886686&postcount=190
As of right now, I personally think Novgorod or the light blue country in India are the strongest out of the npcs.
[And Ming, but why would you play Ming?]
Bohemia/Denmark/Poland/Hungary might be a bit of challenge, but all have potential.
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Indeed, I'd say the recommendations I made there are still relevant, although Bohemia is noticeably weaker. Sweden, Denmark, and Hungary (in approximately that order) have appreciable revolt risk, which I suspect is due primarily to religious strife in all three cases.
In Asia, Ming has lost the Mandate of Heaven, so they are in somewhat troubled times (though their revolt risk isn't that bad). It looks like Vijayanagar's revolt risk is over 10 almost everywhere, due to instability, illegitimacy, and moderate war weariness. Both have considerable promise long-term, but are in rough times for now. Manchu and Tibet are probably the next-most-successful, and both appear very stable.
But if you really want to show off your skills, how about Songhai or Swahili?
They're both in decent shape internally, with that tiny little handicap of the Sub-Saharan tech group.
Billy, your presence as Burgundy will be missed. Hopefully the AI will run Burgundy better than Austria, and luckily for you it has in the past. But don't count on it!
(also, I posted a religious map in the previous update since none had previously been posted)
In Asia, Ming has lost the Mandate of Heaven, so they are in somewhat troubled times (though their revolt risk isn't that bad). It looks like Vijayanagar's revolt risk is over 10 almost everywhere, due to instability, illegitimacy, and moderate war weariness. Both have considerable promise long-term, but are in rough times for now. Manchu and Tibet are probably the next-most-successful, and both appear very stable.
But if you really want to show off your skills, how about Songhai or Swahili?
They're both in decent shape internally, with that tiny little handicap of the Sub-Saharan tech group.Billy, your presence as Burgundy will be missed. Hopefully the AI will run Burgundy better than Austria, and luckily for you it has in the past. But don't count on it!
(also, I posted a religious map in the previous update since none had previously been posted)
MoreEpicThanYou
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I might not be able to make it tomorrow, and if I can I'll probably be a bit late. I'll see what happens.
MoreEpicThanYou
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Good news! I'll be able to get back by 3 PM. You can start without me, just check the thread around then to see if I've got back.
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OK, so it looks like we'll have:
- Quintillus, Turquoiside, and alpav at the start, until about 2:50
- Go back to the lobby then
- alpav leaves, and METY arrives
- Continue onwards from 3:00
I've started up the lobby, but will only be there sporadically until 2. My IP address remains 216.26.111.243.
- Quintillus, Turquoiside, and alpav at the start, until about 2:50
- Go back to the lobby then
- alpav leaves, and METY arrives
- Continue onwards from 3:00
I've started up the lobby, but will only be there sporadically until 2. My IP address remains 216.26.111.243.
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EU3 just crashed for some reason. The screen went black, and a few seconds later, I got an "eu3game.exe has crashed" notification. I'll restart the lobby. 
MoreEpicThanYou
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It just crashed for me.
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We noticed you disappeared. Pessimist said he needed a break anyway and would be back at about 5. But the lobby is up.
MoreEpicThanYou
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You didn't miss much by us not seeing your message, we quit around 6.
MoreEpicThanYou
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We had to eat.
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November, 1537
In this statement, METY displays the fine art of understatement, for, though Billy didn't miss a whole lot, Spain was embroiled in a foolhardy crusade against Tripoli, and more significantly, the technologically superior Ottoman army. Which might not have been a big deal, except Spain refused to make peace, as that would have been dishonouable as Defender of the Faith.
This war is actually quite relevant to the summary. Spain had a warscore of around -40, war exhasution of 17, stability of -3, and appears to have been out of manpower, or at least struggling to reinforce their mainland armies (though the standing armies numbered around 80K in mainland Spain). All of North Africa was occupied by the Ottoman Empire, and Ottoman armies were beginning to invade Spanish France as well. Though the Spanish Navy had proven supreme, the Ottoman armies were easily defeating Spanish armies twice their size, due to superior technology.
Rebels were beginning to revolt across Spain, forcing Spain to send troops away from the borders (where the Ottoman troops had their positions in neutral English territory - Spain had military access there as well, but refused to attack). Though the Ottoman invasion of Spain proper was currently proceeding with caution (Perigord was being assaulted, but there were few other assaults), once more Ottoman armies arrived, the outcome was a foregone conclusion.
It was as we ended this session that the Ottoman envoys realized that Spain would now make peace (which they would not a few months before), likely due to the combination of having been stabhit to -3, and the rebels throughout the country, including some besieging Madrid. With the support of Austrian diplomatic personnel, the Ottomans propsed a deal whereby Spain would release Tunisia, Creek, and Guyenne, pay 150 ducats, and revoke a single core. This deal was acceptable to the defeated AI (and in accordance with the current warscore), and the Ottoman and Austrian envoys argue that it is in Spain's best interests to accept it.
At the present, even with peace, Spain would have plenty to deal with, with 15% revolt risk throughout Spain, 15% in Spanish Algeria, and 30% in Spanish Morocco (the latter of two not having any armies to help with the situation). Presumably the situation in the New World is similar. The economy has also slipped into a depression thanks to the war.
On the Ottoman side, war exhaustion is a shade below 10, the Navy was lost, 30 new regiments were raised, and military funding has been at the maximum for over 5 years. As this represents a considerable cost to the Empire, the Ottomans would consider a White Peace to be patently unfair in relation to the considerable effort expended.
With that detailed examination of the war concluded, the maps are as follows:
Outside of the Spanish Crusade against Tripoli, highlights of the session included:
Austria spent a good deal of time restoring personal unions over and over again. Reports are that there were seven restorations of their personal union with Denmark - Austria would restore it, have their king die, lose it, and restore it again, over and over again. Nevertheless, Austria's persistence eventually paid off, and both Denmark and Sweden were incorporated into Austria proper late in the turn. Austria was also active on the colonial front, claiming several islands, most notably Cuba.
Burgundy spent much of this session in what appears to have been two separate regencies, the present being quite an awful regency (3/3/3). Nevertheless, between the regencies, Burgundy was able to add a few provinces near Malacca to their realm. Burgundy has also become the most advanced of the large nations.
Castille formed Spain this session, and had a relatively calm turn until their decision to invade the halls of Tripoli (which they did occupy, for slightly over a year). The story of that war has already been explained.
England's focus switched from colonization to conquest this turn, and they began by expanding their territory in west-central Africa. Later, they tried to invade India, but Vijayanagar's army proved too strong for their expeditionary force. Nevertheless, they managed to keep the one territory they took from Deccan. Makassar was also taken by England this turn, and thus the English East Indies were tentatively established. At home, England is currently beset by much religious unrest, and though they remain Catholic, Catholicism appears to be a minority, at least in England's European territories.
Prior to the war with Spain, the Ottoman focus this session was first on reaching Land Tech 18, which they did before any significant power in Europe, and thereafter on restoring some semblance of stability, which had plummetted to -3 thanks to a series of unfortunate events. Ottoman expansion slowed considerably this session in an attempt to end overextension, and that effort was partially successful, though Overextension is currently plaguing the Ottomans once more. What new territories the Ottomans did take this session were primarily in or around Afghanistan.
Mazovia met defeat for the first time this session, losing some land to Hungary. Nevertheless, they maintain at least 8 provinces.
The biggest news outside of Europe was that the King of Vijayanagar became the senior partner in a personal union with Ming. With the majority of both China and India under his rule, the possibility of a gigantic power is certainly on the horizon. At the present, Ming is severely hamstrung by rebels, but if they are ever inherited, the already-respectable Vijayanagar would become a true power, even with their inferior tech group.
In this statement, METY displays the fine art of understatement, for, though Billy didn't miss a whole lot, Spain was embroiled in a foolhardy crusade against Tripoli, and more significantly, the technologically superior Ottoman army. Which might not have been a big deal, except Spain refused to make peace, as that would have been dishonouable as Defender of the Faith.
This war is actually quite relevant to the summary. Spain had a warscore of around -40, war exhasution of 17, stability of -3, and appears to have been out of manpower, or at least struggling to reinforce their mainland armies (though the standing armies numbered around 80K in mainland Spain). All of North Africa was occupied by the Ottoman Empire, and Ottoman armies were beginning to invade Spanish France as well. Though the Spanish Navy had proven supreme, the Ottoman armies were easily defeating Spanish armies twice their size, due to superior technology.
Rebels were beginning to revolt across Spain, forcing Spain to send troops away from the borders (where the Ottoman troops had their positions in neutral English territory - Spain had military access there as well, but refused to attack). Though the Ottoman invasion of Spain proper was currently proceeding with caution (Perigord was being assaulted, but there were few other assaults), once more Ottoman armies arrived, the outcome was a foregone conclusion.
It was as we ended this session that the Ottoman envoys realized that Spain would now make peace (which they would not a few months before), likely due to the combination of having been stabhit to -3, and the rebels throughout the country, including some besieging Madrid. With the support of Austrian diplomatic personnel, the Ottomans propsed a deal whereby Spain would release Tunisia, Creek, and Guyenne, pay 150 ducats, and revoke a single core. This deal was acceptable to the defeated AI (and in accordance with the current warscore), and the Ottoman and Austrian envoys argue that it is in Spain's best interests to accept it.
At the present, even with peace, Spain would have plenty to deal with, with 15% revolt risk throughout Spain, 15% in Spanish Algeria, and 30% in Spanish Morocco (the latter of two not having any armies to help with the situation). Presumably the situation in the New World is similar. The economy has also slipped into a depression thanks to the war.
On the Ottoman side, war exhaustion is a shade below 10, the Navy was lost, 30 new regiments were raised, and military funding has been at the maximum for over 5 years. As this represents a considerable cost to the Empire, the Ottomans would consider a White Peace to be patently unfair in relation to the considerable effort expended.
With that detailed examination of the war concluded, the maps are as follows:
Spoiler World Map :
Spoiler Players' Maps :
Outside of the Spanish Crusade against Tripoli, highlights of the session included:
Austria spent a good deal of time restoring personal unions over and over again. Reports are that there were seven restorations of their personal union with Denmark - Austria would restore it, have their king die, lose it, and restore it again, over and over again. Nevertheless, Austria's persistence eventually paid off, and both Denmark and Sweden were incorporated into Austria proper late in the turn. Austria was also active on the colonial front, claiming several islands, most notably Cuba.
Burgundy spent much of this session in what appears to have been two separate regencies, the present being quite an awful regency (3/3/3). Nevertheless, between the regencies, Burgundy was able to add a few provinces near Malacca to their realm. Burgundy has also become the most advanced of the large nations.
Castille formed Spain this session, and had a relatively calm turn until their decision to invade the halls of Tripoli (which they did occupy, for slightly over a year). The story of that war has already been explained.
England's focus switched from colonization to conquest this turn, and they began by expanding their territory in west-central Africa. Later, they tried to invade India, but Vijayanagar's army proved too strong for their expeditionary force. Nevertheless, they managed to keep the one territory they took from Deccan. Makassar was also taken by England this turn, and thus the English East Indies were tentatively established. At home, England is currently beset by much religious unrest, and though they remain Catholic, Catholicism appears to be a minority, at least in England's European territories.
Prior to the war with Spain, the Ottoman focus this session was first on reaching Land Tech 18, which they did before any significant power in Europe, and thereafter on restoring some semblance of stability, which had plummetted to -3 thanks to a series of unfortunate events. Ottoman expansion slowed considerably this session in an attempt to end overextension, and that effort was partially successful, though Overextension is currently plaguing the Ottomans once more. What new territories the Ottomans did take this session were primarily in or around Afghanistan.
Mazovia met defeat for the first time this session, losing some land to Hungary. Nevertheless, they maintain at least 8 provinces.
The biggest news outside of Europe was that the King of Vijayanagar became the senior partner in a personal union with Ming. With the majority of both China and India under his rule, the possibility of a gigantic power is certainly on the horizon. At the present, Ming is severely hamstrung by rebels, but if they are ever inherited, the already-respectable Vijayanagar would become a true power, even with their inferior tech group.
MoreEpicThanYou
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I took a look. My religion is about 2/5 Catholic, 1/5 Protestant, 1/5 Reformed, and 1/5 Other. I think most of the Catholics are in the colonies, though.
WOW AI thoroughly screwed me over
WTH.
This sucks.
I don't know what to say or do. I spent the entire session getting 1 measly Stab point but now 6? This is ridiculous. You guys couldn't just white peace with me?
I might pick a new nation. I dunno.
WTH.
This sucks.
I don't know what to say or do. I spent the entire session getting 1 measly Stab point but now 6? This is ridiculous. You guys couldn't just white peace with me?
I might pick a new nation. I dunno.
MoreEpicThanYou
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Quint tried to white peace, the AI wouldn't let him. The released nations came from revolts.
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Yeah, if I could have made White Peace, I would have. I repeatedly checked with warscore of 5, 10, 20, 25, 35... and the AI would never accept white peace, until rebellions started becoming an issue. The Spanish AI was extremely stubborn - I think in part because of being Defender of the Faith.
We currently have both a November 24 and a November 25 save. The November 24 save has the Spanish and Ottoman empires at war. The November 25 one reflects the peace deal that the Spanish AI was finally willing to accept. As the war had continued for many years and worn down the Ottoman Empire as well, this peace did include the releases of three relatively minor nations. The Austrian diplomats endorsed this settlement; the British ones were out to dinner.
That said, the Ottoman Empire remembers that, prior to the recent war, Castille/Spain was fairly benevolent. While the upper nobility would not accept a white peace after so much expenditure and so much loss of life, alternative peace deals may be possible. The release of Tunis is pretty much necessary at this point, as, especially with a formal Crusade against Tripoli, declared by the Pope, the people of Tripoli no longer feel safe with Spanish lands next door. However, the Ottoman court could be persuaded through economic reparations to alter some of the other details of the peace. The current agreement included:
- Release of Guyenne, Tunis, and Creek
- Payment of 150 ducats in indemnities
- Renunciation of core on The Canaries
The Ottoman Empire estimates the cost of the war to the Empire of consisting of 1845 ducats in total; the details are broken down below.
It's a somewhat rough figure, as it doesn't take into account any effects on stability, rebel-occupied provinces, and so forth, but it's in the ballpark. Thus, the Regency Council would find acceptable some alternative deals, outlined below:
And the Ottoman Empire expects that, regardless of the details of the treaty, Spain will still remain a powerful nation, even if the next decade is painful. The Spanish navy lost several transports and galleys, but the main armada remains as strong as ever, so Spanish sea power likely still rivals that of the British. The army still has 80,000 men in Iberia, and perhaps more in the New World. Spain is battered internally, but is still powerful internationally.
The revolt risk situation is bad, but there are not yet especially many rebels in Iberia, and no Iberian provinces are occupied. North Africa's revolt risk situation is very bad, but due to the Ottoman occupation, there aren't any rebels yet, and with the navy, Spain can reinforce. I don't think the rebel situation is as bad as might be expected in the New World, either, so Spain can likely prevent at least most of the natives from revolting. And Spain's manpower situation might be OK - possibly it was only due to having 40K stacks in single provinces that Spain couldn't reinforce adequately, and not due to manpower itself. Even if the manpower pool is depleted, I can't imagine it will remain that way for long.
Spain can also likely regain stability, if not quickly, at least more so than the Ottoman Empire, as it appears Spain is both very Narrowminded and not overextended (going by the Spanish provinces currently visible to the Ottomans).
In short, while the AI took Spain on an ill-advised misadventure, Spain's still going to be powerful, and likely more so than any other potential replacement country. The Ottoman Empire has no desire to repeat this war, so once Spain recovers, not much will have changed. It isn't like Castille is getting released.
And out-of-context of the Ottoman court, the main reason I want Tunis released is so this doesn't happen again, or at least is significantly less likely to, should Spain be led by an AI again at some point in the future.
We currently have both a November 24 and a November 25 save. The November 24 save has the Spanish and Ottoman empires at war. The November 25 one reflects the peace deal that the Spanish AI was finally willing to accept. As the war had continued for many years and worn down the Ottoman Empire as well, this peace did include the releases of three relatively minor nations. The Austrian diplomats endorsed this settlement; the British ones were out to dinner.
That said, the Ottoman Empire remembers that, prior to the recent war, Castille/Spain was fairly benevolent. While the upper nobility would not accept a white peace after so much expenditure and so much loss of life, alternative peace deals may be possible. The release of Tunis is pretty much necessary at this point, as, especially with a formal Crusade against Tripoli, declared by the Pope, the people of Tripoli no longer feel safe with Spanish lands next door. However, the Ottoman court could be persuaded through economic reparations to alter some of the other details of the peace. The current agreement included:
- Release of Guyenne, Tunis, and Creek
- Payment of 150 ducats in indemnities
- Renunciation of core on The Canaries
The Ottoman Empire estimates the cost of the war to the Empire of consisting of 1845 ducats in total; the details are broken down below.
Spoiler Cost of War :
It's a somewhat rough figure, as it doesn't take into account any effects on stability, rebel-occupied provinces, and so forth, but it's in the ballpark. Thus, the Regency Council would find acceptable some alternative deals, outlined below:
Spoiler :
And the Ottoman Empire expects that, regardless of the details of the treaty, Spain will still remain a powerful nation, even if the next decade is painful. The Spanish navy lost several transports and galleys, but the main armada remains as strong as ever, so Spanish sea power likely still rivals that of the British. The army still has 80,000 men in Iberia, and perhaps more in the New World. Spain is battered internally, but is still powerful internationally.
The revolt risk situation is bad, but there are not yet especially many rebels in Iberia, and no Iberian provinces are occupied. North Africa's revolt risk situation is very bad, but due to the Ottoman occupation, there aren't any rebels yet, and with the navy, Spain can reinforce. I don't think the rebel situation is as bad as might be expected in the New World, either, so Spain can likely prevent at least most of the natives from revolting. And Spain's manpower situation might be OK - possibly it was only due to having 40K stacks in single provinces that Spain couldn't reinforce adequately, and not due to manpower itself. Even if the manpower pool is depleted, I can't imagine it will remain that way for long.
Spain can also likely regain stability, if not quickly, at least more so than the Ottoman Empire, as it appears Spain is both very Narrowminded and not overextended (going by the Spanish provinces currently visible to the Ottomans).
In short, while the AI took Spain on an ill-advised misadventure, Spain's still going to be powerful, and likely more so than any other potential replacement country. The Ottoman Empire has no desire to repeat this war, so once Spain recovers, not much will have changed. It isn't like Castille is getting released.
And out-of-context of the Ottoman court, the main reason I want Tunis released is so this doesn't happen again, or at least is significantly less likely to, should Spain be led by an AI again at some point in the future.
