Euro-communism and end game

[Trinity]

Well, needless to say, I won. It was a cultural victory. I was able to maintain Communism and still take over democracies via culture. I'm playing a few extra turns just to try out the military side.

I couldn't believe what happened toward the end. I utilized the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition: Never let friendship stand in the way of profit. Alexander opted out of the MPP as did Montezuma. I retained one with India. However Alexander's dye supply exhausted and I sold him one extra for 60 gold per turn. I couldn't believe he took it. Montezuma was locked in at 70 per turn for gems. That really ate fast into their tresuries and they became even more dependent on me. I noticed their military shrink rapidly since they had to pay me for that for 20 turns.

This gave me enough cash flow to drop 90% into research and still come out +50 per turn. I cut off China's oil and rubber by blockade, just as they were starting to build Mech Infantry. Oops. No more mech infantry for them.

This brings me to corruption. I had NO police stations. They weren't necessary. Income was sufficient enough that I really didn't care about the corruption. The people were dumb and happy. Happy citizens minimize corruption.

But Joan with a shaved head? They could have let her keep a little hair; maybe about as much as Alexander. A shaved head?

I'm making a mod now and testing it. Socialism instead of Communism. Pay gold for rushing, communal corruption, two MP, and low war weariness instead of no war weariness. I'm still thinking about the other things like mandantory military service, but not as high as communism in free units.

 

[Phoenix]

I don't think that the corruption should be communial. It should be similar to The Republic or Democracy (don't forget Britian is Socialist - and many other EU countries). Remember that a social government is essentialy a Democracy that isn't Capitalist (apart from the exception that Hitler made).

 

[Graeme the mad]

Something strange here - you were playing with a mod?

Cos otherwise his dye supply shouldnt be able to run out - luxuries dont.

And I doubt 60 gpt was bankrupting anyone to tell you the truth. Ive had 100gpt paid to me easily and ive paid bigger

 

[Trinity]

No I wasn't playing with a mod. When I started the game, I didn't know about mods. And I don't use cheat codes.

The possibility was that he was importing his dye supply from the Aztecs and lost the supply when one Aztec city defected to me. He probably had a good deal with them.

My suspicion was that since that was all he had in the treasury, Alexander had to reduce scientific funding, and Montezuma being in the same predicament probably ended up disbanding outdated militarty units to come up with the cash.

Regarding corruption in the mod, I was thinking about communal corruption to reflect large bureaucracies in the government. I think it is more than nuisance, but less than rampant. Communal seems to reflect that better. I don't recall anything else between rampant and nuisance. If I make it nuisance, I'll have to cut back on free units for balance. Feedback here would be appreciated.

Hitler's government, IMO, was not socialism but in fact simply despotism with a national fervor. Corruption was rampant right from the beginning.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Phoenix
(don't forget Britian is Socialist - and many other EU countries).

Britain is 'capitalist'. All Western countries are. They are not 'socialist' states.

No country in the Western world has all, or even most of of it's services and industries controlled by the state.

Originally posted by Phoenix
(apart from the exception that Hitler made).

Hitler's government was not socialist.

You are simplifying socialism as simply a system whereby the state controls the methods of production and services - in which case we may as well call practically every dictatorship since the year dot 'socialist'.

This is not true, however. 'Socialism' requires that the driving force behind that control is literally a socialist one - I.E, redistribtuion of resources, economic equity, etc.

Hitler's system did not have any of that behind it.

 

[Evie]

Actually, a lot of countries in Europe - and even Canada (and the US of A to a lesser extent) in North America - are a cross of socialism and capitalism since neither really work in their pure unaltered form.

State control of key resources and key sectors to ensure equal access to all, partial state control to ensure basic coverage in other areas, etc. But at the same time, economic freedom for a vast number of sectors.

That'S what they tend to call social-democracy

To put it another way, you are simplifying capitalism to a system in which not all the means of production and sectors are under government control.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Oda Nobunaga
To put it another way, you are simplifying capitalism to a system in which not all the means of production and sectors are under government control.

"Capitalism

A form of economic order characterized by private ownership of the means of production and the freedom of private owners to use, buy and sell their property or services on the market at voluntarily agreed prices and terms, with only minimal interference with such transactions by the state or other authoritative third parties."

Social democracy has no agreed upon definition and is hideously vague. The above defintion is applicable to all Western counties. hence We say they are 'capitalist'. They are not socialist.

Social democracy is more of an vague, moderate socialist ideology than an actual concrete way of organising society.

Saying 'X country is social democratic' means zip, since there is no consensus upon what 'social democratic' actually means.