Europe cities!!!

Taras Bulba · Aug 2, 2007

POST STILL IN PROGRESS

but please still look at what i have

Terribly sorry about first posting this in the wrong forum

me being American, and not to mention ignorant :lol:

, wanted to run by this list of cities and their populations for a new map/scenario/mod (idk what is is) of Modern Day Europe

***map taken from Napoleanic Scenario***
***cities found from Encarta 2001***
***populations found from wikipedia***

im trying to get this as realistic as possible *meaning population in game is approximately starting off as the real population*

Spoiler :

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/109601/Europe.biq --- OLD .BIQ

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/109601/Europe.biq --- NEW .BIQ

---note, these stats are from census' anywhere from 2000-present

PS-i really want help on Oviedo, Orense, and La Coruna because in wikipedia, they said 214. something, and not 214, something, not knowing if it was a very small town or not

civverguy · Aug 2, 2007

Are you making a mod or just finding info?

Ginger_Ale · Aug 2, 2007

If you are going to make a mod/scenario, it's probably best to have this thread in the Creation and Customization forum.

Taras Bulba · Aug 2, 2007

civverguy said:
Are you making a mod or just finding info?

that is the thing... right now, im not sure if i am going to make a mod out of this, or just a map...

this thread right here is just getting people who know the cities better than i do to help me check if I have approximately the right populations or not

Mirc · Aug 2, 2007

In Romania, the second biggest city is Iasi, and Baia Mare is way smaller than the others.

And the third biggest is Cluj, though Constanta is important too (and it's the oldest city continuously inhabited, since 2100 years ago).

Taras Bulba · Aug 2, 2007

Mirc said:
In Romania, the second biggest city is Iasi, and Baia Mare is way smaller than the others.

keep in mind, i was trying to make it fit geographically... just because it is the 2nd biggest, doesn't meant that i can fit it, and have the borders of the nations look right... ill have to look it up to see if i can make it fit

Mirc · Aug 2, 2007

Well Baia Mare is in the northwest, while Iasi is in the northeast, close to the border. Both are far enough both from Bucharest and from Constanta, but it depends on the map... whether the borders remain right after the change or not.

Taras Bulba · Aug 2, 2007

Mirc said:
but it depends on the map... whether the borders remain right after the change or not.

i posted the .BIQ in the first post, underneath the spoiler

it isn't nearly done, it just has all the cities on it, and most of the railroads/road system... (that i made up just very quickly) i still have to add resources, units, adjust the population of each city, and fix the terrain so that the city can sustain its population

as for the map... maybe i could just change Baia Mare and no one will notice

Ginger_Ale · Aug 2, 2007

I'm not going to go city-by-city to see if the populations are correct, but here's some links from Wikipedia that should help: largest European cities and metro areas.

Yoda Power · Aug 2, 2007

Here are the populations for Denmark.

Copenhagen-1,211,000 metro
Odense-152,060
Århus-296,013 metro
Aalborg-121,540

BTW I corrected the names.

Gen. Rommel · Aug 2, 2007

Here are my revisions for improved stats for the German cities. I'll also add a couple of cities that you might want to consider adding for the Germans as well, making that the top 15 cities in Germany. I'll bold the added cities.

Germany:

Berlin - 4,262,480
Hamburg - 1,754,317
München/Munich - 2,610,000 *metro population*
Köln/Cologne - 989,766
Frankfurt - 5,800,000 *metro population*
Stuttgart - 593,639
Düsseldorf/Duesseldorf - 581,858
Bremen - 548,477
Dortmund - 585,045
Essen - 581,406
Leipzig - 506,578
Hannover - 1,128,543 *metro population*
Dresden - 504,635
Nürnberg/Nuremberg - 500,132
Duisburg - 499,111

Hope that helps! :goodjob:

Civinator · Aug 2, 2007

For our Civ3-WW2 mod "SOE" this was one site I did use:
http://www.populstat.info/

In the column "Important towns" it has tons of info about population data of huge numbers of towns around the world even for a lot of different time-periodes.

embryodead · Aug 3, 2007

Poland

Warsaw / Warszawa - ok (3,050,000)

Lublin - ok (640,000)

Cracow / Krakow / Kraków - ok (1,300,000) - I hope no Cracovian reads this... but I would replace it with Katowice (1 tile to the north)... simply because it's currently the biggest metro in Poland (3,500,000) and the country's centre of heavy industry. Ideally, you should try to fit these both somehow (you have some unused space in the south of Poland).

Wroclaw / Wrocław - ok (850,000)

Elblag - it lies elsewhere (near the coast) and is not a voivodeship capital; either replace with bigger Olsztyn (230,000) or better, move to 49,31 and rename to Bialystok / Białystok (370,000).

Szczecin - it's located elsewhere (north of Berlin); replace it with Gdansk / Gdańsk (1,041,066 counting "Tricity") - it's bigger and located in the spot you've put Szczecin

Gorzow Wielkopolski - replace it with Poznan / Poznań; it's several times bigger (943,000) and one of the most important Polish cities; it's more or less the same location, but 1 tile south would be more accurate both for the city and borders

all pop. figures are of metros; added Polish spellings

AncientOne · Aug 3, 2007

Populations of Finnish, Estonian and Latvian cities
Riga 727,578
Helsinki 565 186 when include satellite towns known as Helsinki Metropolitan Area, the population rises to 1 293 093
Tallinn 400 200
Turku 175 354
Oulu 130 459

Mirc · Aug 3, 2007

I took a look at the .biq.

The cities seem to be accurate for the most part. But there are some problems, with country sizes. Romania is about the size of the UK, Poland is bigger. Yet both are a lot smaller on this map. I'd add Debrecen in Hungary... I actually made a version where I changed this area as I thought... but it's just my opinion.

matteo773 · Aug 3, 2007

If the biq was taken from the Napoleonic era scenario included in Conquest then I'd imagine Britain would be larger to show it's power at that time in the game.

Anyway, I think you missed out some major British cities (Manchester, Liverpool) this is probably due to the size of the map. The situation is probably similar in other countries so you may want to rename/resize/change map/cities to put in more cities in more countries/make country sizes more realistic, or leave it as it is; your choice. Anyway here's a bit of data on the UK which I think is correct:

Spoiler :

I think I'll stop there because that's more than enough cities/big towns

. And no I'm not sure how North Somerset is a City either (Just realised it probably comes under the district section).

Taras Bulba · Aug 3, 2007

Mirc said:
But there are some problems, with country sizes. Romania is about the size of the UK, Poland is bigger

yeah.... i was trying to do the best that i could to keep the map acurate, but when i finished Germany, i think i was a bit to far east on the border, so i was trying to fix it, so Poland kinda got squished *not to mention very oldy shaped... looks kinda like an hour glass*

Gread Britain the Eastern Part of Europe in the Napoleanic Scenario is ALOT less acurate than the Western Part... given the fact that they only needed to have 1 or 2 countries there instead of about 15, I think they made it a bit smaller

my brother was getting on my case about how Belarus was not as large as it was on the map, and how i should have added Bilboa in Spain, *which i guess i should have added, and i think i am going to* *not to mention he thought that i should have added Luxemburg, and thought that it being a large banking station is more economically important that Moldova, or something like that

as for that extra Hungarian city...if i added that, it would probably make Romania smaller than it already is, so it is kind of hard to add it

PS-sorry about all the city names being wrong, note that American keyboards don't have some of those letters, and I got the American spelling from encarta, so i will try to change them.

PPS-im trying to add more cities to some countries.... (i.e.-Germany, Great Britain, Romania, Spain (Bilboa), and maybe several others)

Mirc · Aug 3, 2007

Taras Bulba said:
as for that extra Hungarian city...if i added that, it would probably make Romania smaller than it already is, so it is kind of hard to add it

In the current map, there are spots for 3 more Romanian cities, and 1 more Hungarian city, without destroying the borders (actually making them more accurate!). I made a biq to illustrate what I was saying but I was stupid enough to save it over the file I downloaded... which was in the temporary internet files.

Wolfhart · Aug 3, 2007

The 30 largest Swedish cities in 2005 according to SCB (the Swedish Central Bureau of Statistics):

Stockholm 1 252 020
Göteborg (Gothenburg) 510 491
Malmö 258 020
Uppsala 128 409
Västerås 107 005
Örebro 98 237
Linköping 97 428
Helsingborg 91 457
Norrköping 89 900
Jönköping 84 923
Lund 76 188
Umeå 75 645
Gävle 68 700
Borås 63 441
Södertälje 60 279
Eskilstuna 60 185
Täby 58 593
Karlstad 58 544
Halmstad 55 688
Växjö 55 600
Sundsvall 49 339
Luleå 45 467
Trollhättan 44 498
Östersund 43 796
Borlänge 42 326
Falun 36 447
Upplands Väsby 35 977
Tumba 35 311
Kalmar 35 170
Skövde 33 119

Observe that these numbers are based on coherent continuous urbanized areas (what looks like one city on aerial pics).
The Stockholm Metropolitan Area (Storstockholm) has 1 918 104 inhabitants as per Dec 31 2006, and the Gothenburg Metropolitan Area has 888 229. Malmö/Malmoe often counts as a part of the Copenhagen Metropolitan Area.

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