Experience vs Inexperience

[Komoda]

If the this whole civ2 thing is supposed to be sportsmanlike in udertaking challenges. Then why are those that have the experience going all the way back to when civ original game, not helping the newbies get a handle on how to play the game. What I see, in playing the game, is not sportsmanship, but a slaughter festival, where the experienced take on the inexperienced in both ladder games and in fun games and smear the fictional canvas (the monitor) with their entrails.
Don't you think that with all your experience in the game, that it is time you help out the newbies and get them to the point, where they at least offer you some challenge, rather than you use them for stepping stones on the ladder, both 1vs1 and MGE. Also, I thought there was more to civ2, than just another war game.
I am a pacifist, I like to think, I like to develop as I go, I don't like war, so why is it that in order to play this game, that it must be but one civilization to rule the entire world.
Is not our own world filled with different civ, so why is it that we must play civ like a chess game?
Some of you must agree, that when you first purchased the game, you did so, not to play war vs fellow player's, but to develop your civ, to the point that you built a spaceship to the stars.
What happened to that, it went bye-bye, now all you want to do is play war, WHY?
I like the game, I want to keep playing it, but I am getting tired of random maps, random AI's, and especially Barb's around every corner.
Give me a game that I can honestly say,"Hey man, what a cool game, let's do it again sometime."
The way it's going now, I am about ready to deep six this game and the rest of you with it. I AM NOT HAPPY CAMPER

 

[HIEROPHANT]

I Like building too but since they like to attack me a lot i set up defesnese to cause major losses. sometime even humans player do stupid attacks which is good for me (like using an ironclad against a city with pikemen in foerest). I protect my self against the diplamats. If they are in a republic go over there with a diplamat and destroy temple or force them to build up an army since repubilc is weak against warfare.
which will cause them unrest.

 

[starlifter]

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What I see, in playing the game, is not sportsmanship, but a slaughter festival,
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That seems like what I assume MP is all about, personally. However, in about 3 months if I get the time, I might give MP a shot. It just does not seem to me that Civ II is intrinsically suited to real-time MP. The game would have to be modified heavily from its SP form, and then it would really not be Civ II, but more like Age of Empires Age of Kings.

They should have an purpose-built e-mail version so the play would not depart so much from the successful SP style (thinking, random play times, etc.).

Well, I guess I count myself lucky that I'm not able to try MP at the moment

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I don't hang out in the MP forums, but I would assume they have a "beginner" group, or a group that would have like-minded play restrictions? If not, why not ask if someone would like to play with a set of rules you prefer?

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Originally posted by Komoda:
What I see, in playing the game, is not sportsmanship, but a slaughter festival, where the experienced take on the inexperienced in both ladder games and in fun games and smear the fictional canvas (the monitor) with their entrails.

Ladder games? Of course. THis is a tournament, and tournaments are to be won, by whatever means necessary.

Don't you think that with all your experience in the game, that it is time you help out the newbies and get them to the point, where they at least offer you some challenge...

You're playing the wrong people. There are plenty of CFC guys that have taught many of us 'former' newbies a lot. Read these forums, read the War Academy. Games aren't always the best teaching environment (okay, watch as my Howitzer moves in against your musketeer...

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I am a pacifist, I like to think, I like to develop as I go, I don't like war, so why is it that in order to play this game, that it must be but one civilization to rule the entire world.

Why is that? Defend your empire properly and you can be as pacifist as you like. If you don't like war, then maybe Civ just ain't the game for you. This is history remember. History gets bloody at times.

 

[HIEROPHANT]

In a human player game the only threat is the diplamats and spys especailly the 2x2 games which 2x2 as i said before ruins the game because it is no loger skill. Anyone can take a diplamats move 4 and get a city. Hopefully in civ3 the range attack see as far as there range so maybe a cannon can blow up a diplamat.

 

[starlifter]

Hopefully in civ3 the range attack see as far as there range so maybe a cannon can blow up a diplamat.

I'm not real up on Civ III, but I have read that there will be a ranged function instead of Zones of Control. From what Sid has said, they are not yet ready to reveal the great new features of MP.

 

[HIEROPHANT]

In human player game you most be vary careful placing towns especially port towns because of the diplamats. one thing is bad a diplamat comes on a moutain well normally moves end without road but because of lagtime sometimes the player gets to get to move twice and because of bad luck and that player not being honrable by taking the extra moves you lost a city. i also hope the diplamatic system is changed in civ3.

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[SlowwHand]

Dips are ridiculous.
Yes, spies much better, but by then one has Democracy or other government to help defend.
Dips bite.

In the past, I've offered "question and answer" games for those people who would enjoy that.
I'll do again, if any interest.

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[EyesOfNight]

A newbie wants to know why experts won't teach him anything and instead of getting a flood of experts offering him advice he gets a flood of newbies posing as experts offering him advice. I find that amusing.

 

[Magnus]

Well, EyesOfNight, at least they are trying to help, unlike YOU who never has anything worthwhile to say ever.

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[HIEROPHANT]

hahaha you make me laugh eyesofnight still you have not realized that i know alot more than you about civ. also trying to say every here is a newbie is incorrect have you seen starlifer's high score i am sure he could probably beat you in civ as well.

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[starlifter]

posted July 16, 2001 02:48 PM
hahaha you make me laugh eyesofnight still you have not realized that i know alot more than you about civ. also trying to say every here is a newbie is incorrect have you seen starlifer's high score i am sure he could probably beat you in civ as well.

To be fair, I'm pretty good at SP, but from reading posts, I infer there is a good deal of playing difference in MP, not to mention the accelerated time frame of turn completion. In the world of MP, therefore, I consider myself a newbie with a general grasp of the game basics.

Also, getting a high score in Civ II, even at deity, requires mainly the patience and time. The game I have in the HOF was played over 2 years ago, shortly after I bought Civ II, and was not particularly well played. In fact, I find it funny to see my "strategies" at that time, which is why I posted some intermediate game saves, LOL. You can see how far behind I was at one point in that game.

But once I am able to have some time after I move later this summer, I'll probably give MP a shot, and when I learn it, will probably do OK. It is hard to imagine sitting in one spot for several hours, though! I usually play Civ II SP for 30 minutes or an hour at a time, and then go do something else (or work).

by Magnus:

Well, EyesOfNight, at least they are trying to help, ...

True, Eyes could probably help up and comers, based on one or two helpful posts he's made on other forums. EoN, you might "better" competition faster if you decided to become a positive influence

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[TrailblazingScot]

Hierophant...you say you love seeing (and I quote):

"sometime even humans player do stupid attacks which is good for me (like using an ironclad against a city with pikemen in foerest"

Well I´d attack your city on a forest that is defended with pikemen with an ironclad and I know from my MASSIVE use of frigates that it is sure to work AND WORK WELL.

Was it a typo? Otherwise I´m baffled why you think this sort of defense of cities is of any value...in my last game vs a human his cities were well located on hills and forest or river and were defended by pikes AND MY frigates pulverised those cities.

I have played a vast amount and know how to war (less good on the science) and what you suggest is worthless.


As for the ladder...don´t play on it for fun games, they are bound to be simple attempts to splat the opposition.

As for learning play people of your own ability or in larger games...plus read the numerous posting and other online advice that can often help.

If I was in the Uk and with my machine I´d offer you a game...but as it is learn why the game is being played and if it is 1 vs 1 it is bound to be brutal and personal!

 

[HIEROPHANT]

in forest town i have survived against verteren ironclad pikemen may sometimes lose but a lot of times the irodclad will die too. science is not a problem when you let the other player do research for you since stealing tech is all too easy.

 

[EyesOfNight]

Why does he make statements like that you ask? BECAUSE HIER IS A NEWBIE!!! LOL I could probably collect enough stupid statements by him to write a book. My favorite one is the one where explains how he is going to beat me because he's been using republic and democracy lately and now knows how to beat those governments. HAHAHA!! And he wonders why I won't waste my time on him.

And I have taught many people how to play. I only teach those I think have potential.

 

[dreadhead7]

I'm a pacifist. I don't like war, however, I am prepared for it when it comes. I have been playing so much SMAC that I've let Civ go by the wayside. I've recently started playing Civ2 again, and Civ1 as well, polishing up my act. I was a dang good civ player, and I'm regaining my skills. I don't claim to be anyone's expert. If there is a question, and I have experience in the subject, then, I'll offer my thoughts. Keep playing, things will come to you. Try to develop your own strategy, and remember that every game is different; some of my strategies may not work for you and vice versa. Some of the strategies that you used in one of your games might not work in the next. That is part of what makes Civ so fun and addicting.
Don't give up. Civ is really a great game.

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[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Exactly dreadhead! Civ is a great game

When I get a little frusterated, I just go away and play SMAC or something for a week or two, then come back and it's fresh again. Everyone has their own style, and if you want to be a pacifist, you'd better do it really well

EyesOfNight could show Komoda how to use the CHEAT menu better...

...yeah, we're on to you.

 

[HIEROPHANT]

eyesofnight you still dont realize that i am the best it is so funny when i can tell you are going to reply on something you are so predictable. i bet you wish you knew my secret weapons that no one esle know here.

 

[Julie_Delpy]

I'm afraid of so-called bad guys.
But if the world were full of good Samaritans, I would be easily fed up with that.

So I think peace and warfare both of two are requisite for this game.
having just a exciting game, it's my aim to play civ2.

 

[HIEROPHANT]

I forgot to add these secrets weapons should be strong enough to easy handle attaks from all sides and handle all 6 other civs. They will help me build my magaical empire and i heirophant will rule the world and it will make ironclads useless against the defesne on the ports. with a coastal a battleship even a vertern is useless for that matter with a sam missle battery the cruise missle will be no good especially the stealth bomber.

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