Exploits that still work

[diegobrando]

Since there are no more patches. What are the exploits that still are working?

 

[pokiehl]

It has not been established that there are no more patches coming.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

I consider any further game updates as Schrödinger's patches. In my head, Firaxis may be simultaneously developing future updates or not. We won't know for sure until they let us know one way or the other.

 

[blackbutterfly]

1. Vietnam rewilding Apocalypse mode exploit. (+Sanguine Pact for even more exploit).
2. Unifier Qin Zombie mode exploit.
3. Anna Nzinga + TSL Earth (with Kandy) + Reliquaries. (+ Monopolies mode for more exploit).
4. Qin on Marathon (wonder building with workers) + Monopolies.

 

[Kotofei]

1. Vietnam rewilding Apocalypse mode exploit. (+Sanguine Pact for even more exploit).
2. Unifier Qin Zombie mode exploit.
3. Anna Nzinga + TSL Earth (with Kandy) + Reliquaries. (+ Monopolies mode for more exploit).
4. Qin on Marathon (wonder building with workers) + Monopolies.

If these are the worst "exploits", the designers done good.

IMO Quick Deals upsets the game balance more than anything, by exploiting the AIs awful sense of trade.

 

[blackbutterfly]

IMO Quick Deals upsets the game balance more than anything, by exploiting the AIs awful sense of trade.

Oh yes, I forgot that one: trading AI for diplomacy before they start to value it. Quick Deals helps.

I think some of the worst exploits have been addressed.
In fact, one I had posted on here (and got turned into a SpiffingBrit YouTube) was Turkish Corsair raiding Barb Clans for infinite gold.

But no, I would not call this "done good"

 

[Infixo]

It is good however that we don’t have to use exploits… or do we?

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Unifier Qin Zombie mode exploit.

I'm not familiar with this one, what is it? (I know Qin can convert zombies but don't consider that an exploit).

 

[blackbutterfly]

I'm not familiar with this one, what is it? (I know Qin can convert zombies but don't consider that an exploit).

 

[pokiehl]

1. Vietnam rewilding Apocalypse mode exploit. (+Sanguine Pact for even more exploit).
2. Unifier Qin Zombie mode exploit.
3. Anna Nzinga + TSL Earth (with Kandy) + Reliquaries. (+ Monopolies mode for more exploit).
4. Qin on Marathon (wonder building with workers) + Monopolies.

None of these are really exploits. These are all just examples of how to cheese the game under very specific circumstances. An example of an actual exploit was the pantheon glitch.

 

[blackbutterfly]

It is good however that we don’t have to use exploits… or do we?

There's another I forgot: also re: deals.
You can trade AI to join wars and sometimes they will trade you their assets (like works of art) as well.

When I think about it, it reminds me how broken this game is.
IDK how people complain about Marvel's Midnight Suns. Civ VI is so broken in comparison.

 

[blackbutterfly]

None of these are really exploits. These are all just examples of how to cheese the game under very specific circumstances. An example of an actual exploit was the pantheon glitch.

If Spiff makes an exploit video of it then it most certainly is
No. 4:

 

[pokiehl]

If Spiff makes an exploit video of it then it most certainly is
No. 4:

Not quite sure I understand the appeal to authority here. I don’t watch YouTube but I understand his entire gimmick is purposefully clickbait titles of videos featuring him cheesing games under very specific circumstances.

 

[blackbutterfly]

Not quite sure I understand the appeal to authority here. I don’t watch YouTube but I understand his entire gimmick is purposefully clickbait titles of videos featuring him cheesing games under very specific circumstances.

I'm really not much into watching gamers on YouTube, but IMO Spiff makes very compelling (undisputable?) exploit videos as his niche.
(TBH I'm a little jealous and appalled that a dufus putting on a "proper" English accent has now become a multi-millionaire who now has an office and employees for his YouTube channel. It's annoying AF but that's an aside...I do actually like his videos)

On topic: if it is not balanced and exploitable, it is an exploit in my book.

Re: Qin zombies exploit: one way it could have been better balanced is if zombies were not classed as melee and were in a unique/separate class of their own.

Quick fix for any modders out there interested.
(But I think nobody plays zombies apart from Chinese Civ players)

 

[Infixo]

Re: Qin zombies exploit: one way it could have been better balanced is if zombies were not classed as melee and were in a unique/separate class of their own.
Quick fix for any modders out there interested.
(But I think nobody plays zombies apart from Chinese Civ players)

I never played zombies, too many negative comments.
So, Qin can convert zombies into his army? True zombie army
But I would rather classify it as a bad implementation of an idea thus giving such an unexpected effect aka close to an issue that need fixing. It is just another of myriad hints that Leader Pass was done by less experienced devs.

 

[Zegangani]

1. Vietnam rewilding Apocalypse mode exploit. (+Sanguine Pact for even more exploit).
2. Unifier Qin Zombie mode exploit.
3. Anna Nzinga + TSL Earth (with Kandy) + Reliquaries. (+ Monopolies mode for more exploit).
4. Qin on Marathon (wonder building with workers) + Monopolies.

By all respect, none of those are exploits. If you ask me, nothing from the NFP Game Modes could be an exploit, as the Game Modes themselves are pretty much Cheats for the Human Player.

But let me give you an Analogy so you may understand me better: Game Modes are like playing Table Tennis with a 6 Years Old. The Child isn't necessarily bad at it, but for you as a grown up it will be a very easy Game, too easy, and not a Challenge at all. Because 1) The Child is shorter and may even have to keep jumping to see what's happening above the Table, 2) it has shorter Legs, so it can't move as quick as you, 3) it has shorter Arms, so it won't be able to hit as hard as you can...etc. But on top of that, the Child is extra handicapped by a smaller Tennis Racket (All the Bugs, Exploits, AI not (properly) trained to use the Game Modes...etc.).

In this Analogy, it's not the fact that the Kid has a smaller Tennis Racked than yours that is an Exploit/Cheat, it's the fact that you're playing with a Child in the first Place (I'll never get why people don't get this). So the point isn't to give the Child a bigger Tennis Racket (Exploit Fixes) so it's fair (it won't be), but to play the Match according to the Kid and have Fun with it as is. I'm sure you can have lots of Fun with Kids even if you're actually better than them at the thing you're playing. A shorter or longer Tennis Racket won't make a difference, unless it's yours!

In other Words, Game Modes aren't really meant as part of the Game and its Mechanics, or even to make it more challenging, but as "Icing on the Cake", something to spice up the Game a bit now and then and have Fun with, not Challenge. However, if you still want them fixed and challenging, then disable them completely, that's how you make them more challenging.

 

[AntSou]

Game Modes have a design intention and they can be exploitable and bugged like any other part of the game.

 

[blackbutterfly]

By all respect, none of those are exploits. If you ask me, nothing from the NFP Game Modes could be an exploit, as the Game Modes themselves are pretty much Cheats for the Human Player.

Ok I might have conceded the Apocalypse mode Vietnam rewilding exploit is perhaps not an exploit. Cos you have to make builders to rewild in a certain manner to get effectively an "eternal flame". Or a burn that goes on forever.
Then this popped up on my YouTube

(I'd not seen this before).

 

[Zegangani]

Ok I might have conceded the Apocalypse mode Vietnam rewilding exploit is perhaps not an exploit. Cos you have to make builders to rewild in a certain manner to get effectively an "eternal flame". Or a burn that goes on forever.
Then this popped up on my YouTube

I don't get your Point here, what has that to do with what I said?

 

[Chiss5618]

I don't get your Point here, what has that to do with what I said?

I think they just really like the youtuber and want to talk about them

What I don't understand is the logic behind "x making a video on this mechanic proves it's an exploit"