FA: War with Russia.

[Sir Donald III]

Ok, this is what I see as a plan.

First off, I would Not settle a City just for Bait. The WotP can overrule me on this one. But I'm going to have to go mostly with Blackheart on this item. I say "Mostly", because once the Cannon is Upgraded, Bammo, back to the Front in case any cities are auto-razed. Now, that is IF Russia decides to attack us (see Point #3).

Secondly, I am in favor of the MPPs. Reason being is that IF Russia plays Dirty Pool and crosses over, I would respond in kind. But I cannot "respond in kind" if Russia has active MPPs. Russia invading us would cancel out any MPPs they have with countries that We have an MPP with. So Aztecs and America at a minimum.

Also, an MPP with China, if activated, and in conjunction with Trade Embargoes with other nations with Horses (need to check to see what's needed there) would knock out Russia's access to Horses and likely Iron as well, because you can't trade when you're at War. (MPP with France as well as China would ensure that Russia's cut off from Iron and therefore Rails.) While I question whether it is wise to let China in on this war, the trade between the two countries is a valid point. (Especially since, if we don't and we cause the Americian Nations to break ties with Russia, Russia might try to ally with its remaining trading partners. So Yes to America, Aztec, and French MPP, Abstain on China for now.)

Finally, War Strategy.

First off, we haven't lost anything yet. So I say put our Units (pulling back AND readying marshall point) on the Ironclad Picket Line from Grumpypuss (or Dijon) to Akkad. (And our Eastern one in the Sea Strait.) This would provide us with a 1-turn Warning system. If the Russians do not approach this line over the course of 10-15 turns, then we'll just call it a Gold Loss and see if we can get a straight up Peace Treaty.

However, if our Picket line is Challenged or Passed, then Russia will have committed to the War and so will I.

And so long as we hold sole possession of Replacable Parts, we should hold on to "Superpower". (and even when we lose it, we'd gain it back with Motorized Transport if not before. )

 

[Provolution]

Well, I am still going to attack them. I am authorized to do so by the law.
War is declared, our department is running it.

 

[Nobody]

Well, I am still going to attack them. I am authorized to do so by the law.
War is declared, our department is running it.

And therefore we need allies, we should sign a MPP with Atleast America and Aztecs (also china would be great) and signing with france and babylon would protect our contient. And then we need to bulid the city in the north. We could try and protect it. If we don't do this and go invade russia without allies, we will end up fighting the entire world.

 

[Provolution]

Exactly my point. I will ask for the FA to poll a broad MPP alliance, poll the settlement by Stuttgart to activate that alliance (Aztecs and America only, not China). For the Foreign Affairs information, our military will now strike at our objectives. MPP or no MPP.

 

[mhcarver]

After reading SD3's argument I am with him for broad Mutual protection pacts for this war, though I would like to stick it to Russia

 

[Provolution]

I am sticking it to Russia, the Peaceniks Days are now over, we are beyond the war-polling part, and they rejected any doctrines for Atarashika.

So Mhcarver, i will stick it to Russia...

 

[Eklektikos]

Given the data I have been able to glean from the fora, I would recommend using MPPs to pull America and the Aztecs into this conflict unless they are in some way hopelessly outclassed by Russia (I have not succeeded in finding any information regarding their technological development, resource wealth or military strength, thus cannot make a truly unequivocal recommendation). With luck, they should be capable of weakening Russia to the point that the latter will give us peace on favourable terms in the not too distant future. I am also emphatically opposed to bringing China into the war, as we should not risk strengthening their already oversize empire.

Military adventurism on our own part does not seem particularly advantageous in this situation As said by Octavian X earlier in this thread, we quite simply have little or nothing to gain from it in the long term due to the corruption issues associated with multi-continental empires. If we had complete control over our own continent then I might perhaps think otherwise, but at present I would consider deployment of Japanatican forces within Russia to be a waste of time and resources.

 

[Provolution]

This is where my limited operation comes in, to settle a peace accord early on our terms.
The plan is to use as many as Elite Cavalry as we can muster, as well as Imperial Commando (Elite Samurais) and spend primarily these with the support of Infantry and Artillery from mountains, and conquer their Eastern shoreline. We can do many things beyond establishing a lasting presence. First off all, they would sign peace if they are beaten, and maybe give some compensation. Additionally, we may decide to empty the cities for workers, gift them to another civ, we may raze the cities, give them to another nation, we may keep them, we may just retransfer them to Russia for compensations, sell improvements, occupy the land and pillage infrastructure, then leave and so on. Above all, Elite units may produce Great Leaders, easily, since we got Heroic Epic and several elites already. These elites may be disbanded for a pitiful amount of shields, or we can seek to go for a Great Leader with them, and accelerate wonder and tech builds at opportune moments, like the United Nation we need for a diplowin. A limited operation with soon obsolete, but temporarily superior forces (ironclads, cavalry and samurai soon obsolete, but temporarily superior) will win the war, grant us great leaders, and produce enough elite infantry for future potential conflicts, given our diplomacys tendency to end up in unwanted wars.

But I agree with Eklektikos here, MPP with Aztecs and America only.

"Military Adventurism" is economic, as the main risk is taken by soon obsolete elite forces.

 

[Nobody]

But I agree with Eklektikos here, MPP with Aztecs and America only.

But this war is going to take a while (30ish?) if we don't bring china in, russia might. And then the military is going to have to fight two large powers a ocean away, plus what if while our main offiseive force is away fighting russia, zulu or france jump against us. I think we should also sign MPPs with france and babylon to watch our backs while our boys are away.

 

[Provolution]

I agree nobody, make Babylon and France part of our grand alliance a well.
If needed, we can feed them Rome and Iroq as crackers for our loyal birds.
However, turning this into a slow naval thing will only extend the war into a long slugfeast. This war can go forever if we are not making it quick and decisive.

 

[WeaponX]

But this war is going to take a while (30ish?) if we don't bring china in, russia might. And then the military is going to have to fight two large powers a ocean away, plus what if while our main offiseive force is away fighting russia, zulu or france jump against us. I think we should also sign MPPs with france and babylon to watch our backs while our boys are away.

I see your point with France and Babylon and I agree, but what if Chinia attacks Russia with us and busts out and takes to much land from them before we even get there. Who knows if they will stop?

But MPP's with either America, Aztec, France, and Babylon or all of them seems logical.

Oh and Provolution, if we get the cities from Russia what will we do with them? Multi-continental empires will have a load of corruption on one side and it will be the Russian front.

 

[Provolution]

We can Raze them, or give them to a nation we want as a political client for diplowin.
We can use this war to even out that continent a bit, undo the genocides they did.
Basically, we can redraw the map.

 

[donsig]

Well, I am still going to attack them. I am authorized to do so by the law.
War is declared, our department is running it.

Isn't your department still subservient to the people? In five demogames I've never read a statement such as this one made by a leader. I am shocked.

 

[Samoht_Okpoh]

I'm in favor of an invasion too. and as Provolution said to redraw the conntinet.

 

[Provolution]

Subservient to the people yes, but not the ones that scream on behalf of the people.
The people did not want any doctrines for the other continent, and I will let the people decide when the war is over. I will not even poll war objectives for next turnchat, due to the rejection of doctrine and cooperation with the military planning. In fact, military planning has been sabotaged from the outset by a select few, which has lead to this crisis. You wanted no doctrines discussed and polled Donsig, fine here it is.

The will of the people is a very much abused term used by a handful of people.

 

[blackheart]

Subservient to the people yes, but not the ones that scream on behalf of the people.
The people did not want any doctrines for the other continent, and I will let the people decide when the war is over. I will not even poll war objectives for next turnchat, due to the rejection of doctrine and cooperation with the military planning. In fact, military planning has been sabotaged from the outset by a select few, which has lead to this crisis. You wanted no doctrines discussed and polled Donsig, fine here it is.

The will of the people is a very much abused term used by a handful of people.

That handful now includes you.

 

[Nobody]

by a handful of people

althogh i support the MPPs and invasion of russia, but you have to remeber that the handful of people are still people, who deserve there oppions.

Can somebody find out for me the prices of MPPs and RoP with france, babylon, china, aztecs, and america. My CD-rom isnt working so i cant check the save (im gutted) but i need to know this stuff for the polls.

 

[Provolution]

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