Fall of Rome

[De Lorimier]

Hi Civfanatics!
I always appreciate the comments from gamers of this site.
I just bought a copy of Conquest (finally!) and I have this question for you. Wich civ do you prefer for the fall of Rome scenario?
Also what tactics do you use, what are the good and bad points of this scenario?
I would really appreciate comments regarding this scenario or other ones from Conquests.
Thanks

 

[Frimlin]

I'm confused -- aren't you missing both Western and Eastern Rome? I've not tried this Conquest yet, but in the Editor, both Civs seem to be playable.

 

[andvruss]

They can be playable via changes in the editor, but otherwise, no.

 

[Frimlin]

hehe okay, I'm wrong! Maybe I should try playing it and find out for myself...

I've avoided the Rome Conquests -- I spent about nine months on and off creating a Rome / Europe / Mediterranean scenario for PTW which I never was happy enough with to release. When C3C came out, and I saw those two scenarios... it was the nail in the coffin. I'd spent too long (nine months+ is quite a while) playing game after game on a map so similar to that one, that I really didn't want to do it again.

Maybe sometime I'll update the scenario to C3C and release it. However, it is much more complex than the trait mod I released recently, so I'm not sure I'd want to have to deal with the fallout it will produce...

 

[lbhhh]

I like the celts, there is only one way to go, attack the Romans in England ASAP, and then take it from there. The most important tactic in this scenario is to make absolutely sure you are the one that takes out a civ's 8th city, therefore accumulating a TON of VP.

 

[microbe]

I only played Visigoth, as that's what was mentioned in the developer's diary.

 

[silver 2039]

The huns are fun they start out with a bunch of horseman and I looted a couple Byzantine and Roman cities with them.

 

[tomart109]

Funny, I felt the Franks and Anglos start too close together, and fight each other too quickly... but maybe that is a long-term advantage, if you're the winner and thus have twice the towns and territory...?

And yes, the Huns have fun units, but lousy land; I once moved them all a couple turns west to settle better land...

 

[Ville]

My first try was as Franks. Now I'm playing as Sassanids

 

[RagingBarbarian]

I played this scenario, using the anglo-saxons. they are very close to the franks. While I was busy sending my warlord to attack Roman cities, the Franks who were my allies, declared war on me. I now had a two front war.

 

[DBear]

What is the best way to play this scenario? The first time, I tried for tech parity with Rome and had no money to buy allies. Should I just go for the warlords and forget tech altogether? I don't like the idea of taking on superior tech, no matter how good warlords are.

 

[Salamandre]

persian rock. They are the easiest civ to win with. For more chalenge should try franks or huns. Persians are just too easy.

They start with towns prebuild, have no neighbours and can cumulate a lot of gold to buy techs and upgrade cavs.

 

[Roadrunna]

I used the Anglo-Saxons and had to fight hard for iron, but once I got it, my warlords were all over he opposition.
I won by getting the other barbs to kill the romans (too far for me to get both) and then subsequently wiping the barbarians out.

I think it would've been more interesting if it was only the Roman civs that the 8 city decimation lead to elimination. The Romans helped me out a lot by taking a few of the barbarian cities.

 

[socralynnek]

Am I the only one to play with the ostrogoths... found their starting location quite good, enough space, but you have to go to the east for iron.

 

[Craterus22]

I played both as Anglo's and Celts on Regent level...

Will probably play Celts next few times... Early access to iron... early battle with rome gets you the island and then Franks or Rome again.

On Regent - almost no aggression by anyone until you attack.

Had two failures becasue I spent so much time building and regrouping after first couple of battles.

Both games lost to Eastern Rome by VP (last time around year 580).

None of the other barbarians made any progress against either rome... sometimes I allied with them most times not - they seem to be eager to go to war with the romes after you start fighting them first....

 

[ComradeDavo]

I won it with the Celts when I tried it. I think I was only on warlord level though. Gonna have to try it on Regent with someone else I think soon.

 

[Goober]

I haven't won this Scenario yet, but I had a fair bit of success with the Ostrogoths. I like their relatively central position, and access to both sides of the Roman Empire.

 

[lbhhh]

As has been previously mentionned in other threads, this scenario is probably easier if you play on a higher difficulty setting, since the other barbarians are much stronger and can be a real help against the romans, whereas they probably won't be able to do much on lower levels.

 

[tomart109]

I like the Anglo-Saxons; I pushed the Franks right away, so they spread south and gave me enough room (and iron.) In mid-game they sent their warlords off to fight someone, so I jumped their cities and had the whole area. My productive cities pumped out warlords, cavalry and catapults to hit Rome, while the other barbs had them stretched thin...

My big mistake: not keeping enough pressure on Byzantine (Eastern Rome.) I got the 8th Roman city and raced to occupy Italy almost unopposed, but then noticed that Byzantine was about to win by points in three turns! I bribed everyone to fight them, but it was too late. ...And it was still twenty-some turns til the end of the scenario!

So I think if you play at the extreme ends, (Celt or Sassanid) where you can only get to one Roman, you better get the other barbarians to fight the one you can't.

Question: are the Ostrogoths vulnerable, between Huns, Romans and everyone else? Do they tend to be killed off more than other barbs? I've seen them whacked at least twice.

 

[De Lorimier]

I feel kind of silly because I started a Rise of Rome conquest right after posting this thread because I thought it would be funnier.
I liked it and now I'll probably try Fall of Rome for real. Thanks for the input and keep it coming!