Feudal Netherlands scenario : preview and help

[MaisseArsouye]

Its hard to find Leaders from the different provinces.
Easier = leaders from The Netherlands

If it was easy, I wouldn't ask I really need names for every counties, even if you just split large lists of dutch scientific/military leaders.

 

[Eliminator]

Provincie Utrecht:

Utrecht (Head City)
Abcoude - Achttienhoven - Amerongen - Amersfoort - Austerlitz - Baambrugge - Baarn - Benschop - De Bilt - Bilthoven - Bosch en Duin - Breukelen - Bunnik - Bunschoten-Spakenburg - Cabauw - Cothen - Den Dolder - Doorn - Driebergen-Rijsenburg - Eemdijk - Elst - 't Goy - Groenekan - Harmelen - Hoogland - Hooglanderveen - Houten - Huis ter Heide - IJsselstein - Kamerik - Kanis - Kockengen - Langbroek - Leersum - Leusden - Linschoten - Loenen(aan de Vecht) - Lopik - Lopikerkapel - Maarn - Maarsbergen - Maarssen - Maartensdijk - De Meern - Mijdrecht - Montfoort - Nieuwegein - Nigtevecht - Odijk - Oudewater - Polsbroek - Renswoude - Rhenen - Schalkwijk - Soest - Soesterberg - Tull en't Waal - Utrecht - Veenendaal - Vianen - Vinkeveen - Vleuten - Westbroek - Wijk bij Duurstede -Wilnis - Woerden - Woudenberg - Zegveld - Zeist - Zevenhuizen

Provincie Drenthe:
Assen (Head City)
Emmen
Hoogeveen
Meppel
Coevorden
Beilen
Roden

Provincie Felvoland:

Lelystad (Head City)
Almere
Dronten
Noordoostpolder
Urk
Zeewolde


Provincie Friesland:
Leaders:
Hertog Albrecht van Saksen
Floris V
Ulrik Cirksema

Heerenveen (Head City)
Drachten
Sneek
Bolsward
Joure
Oosterwolde
Balk
Harlingen
Leeuwarden
Grou
Wommels
Beetsterzwaag
Franeker
Kollum
Stiens
Lemmer


Provincie Gelderland:

Arnhem (Head City)

Aalten
Angerlo
Apeldoorn
Barneveld
Bergh
Beuningen
Borculo
Brummen
Buren
Culemborg
Didam
Dinxperlo
Doesburg
Doetinchem
Druten
Duiven
Ede
Eibergen
Elburg
Epe
Ermelo
Geldermalsen
Gendringen
Gorssel
Groenlo
Groesbeek
Harderwijk
Hattem
Heerde
Hengelo
Heumen
Hummelo en Keppel
Lichtenvoorde
Lingewaal
Lingewaard
Lochem
Maasdriel
Millingen aan de Rijn
Neder-Betuwe
Neede
Neerijnen
Nijkerk
Nijmegen
Nunspeet
Oldebroek
Overbetuwe
Putten
Renkum
Rheden
Rijnwaarden
Rozendaal
Ruurlo
Scherpenzeel
Steenderen
Tiel
Ubbergen
Voorst
Vorden
Wageningen
Warnsveld
Wehl
West Maas en Waal
Westervoort
Wijchen
Winterswijk
Wisch
Zaltbommel
Zelhem
Zevenaar
Zutphen

Provincie Groningen:
Groningen (Head City)

Appingedam | Bedum | Bellingwedde | Delfzijl | Eemsmond | Groningen | Grootegast | Haren | Hoogezand-Sappemeer | Leek | Loppersum | De Marne | Marum | Menterwolde | Pekela | Reiderland | Scheemda | Slochteren | Stadskanaal | Ten Boer | Veendam | Vlagtwedde | Winschoten | Winsum | Zuidhorn

Provincie Limburg:
Maastricht (Head City)

Ambt Montfort
Arcen en Velden
Beek
Beesel
Bergen
Brunssum
Echt-Susteren
Eijsden
Gennep
Gulpen-Wittem
Haelen
Heel
Heerlen
Helden
Heythuysen
Horst aan de Maas
Hunsel
Kerkrade
Kessel
Landgraaf
Maasbracht
Maasbree
Maastricht
Margraten
Meerlo-Wanssum
Meerssen
Meijel
Mook en Middelaar
Nederweert
Nuth
Onderbanken
Roerdalen
Roermond
Roggel en Neer
Schinnen
Sevenum
Simpelveld
Sittard-Geleen
Stein
Swalmen
Thorn
Vaals
Valkenburg aan de Geul
Venlo
Venray
Voerendaal
Weert


Provincie Noord-Brabant:
's-Hertogenbosch (Head City)

Aalburg
Alphen-Chaam
Asten
Baarle-Nassau
Bergeijk
Bergen op Zoom
Bernheze
Best
Bladel
Boekel
Boxmeer
Boxtel
Breda
Cranendonck
Cuijk
Deurne
Dongen
Drimmelen
Eersel
Eindhoven
Etten-Leur
Geertruidenberg
Geldrop-Mierlo
Gemert-Bakel
Gilze en Rijen
Goirle
Grave
Haaren
Halderberge
Heeze-Leende
Helmond
's-Hertogenbosch
Heusden
Hilvarenbeek
Laarbeek
Landerd
Lith
Loon op Zand
Maasdonk
Mill en Sint Hubert
Moerdijk
Nuenen, Gerwen en Nederwetten
Oirschot
Oisterwijk
Oosterhout
Oss
Reusel-De Mierden
Roosendaal
Rucphen
Schijndel
Sint Anthonis
Sint-Michielsgestel
Sint-Oedenrode
Someren
Son en Breugel
Steenbergen
Tilburg
Uden
Valkenswaard
Veghel
Veldhoven
Vught
Waalre
Waalwijk
Werkendam
Woensdrecht
Woudrichem
Zundert

Provincie Zeeland:
Middelburg (Head City)
Borsele
Goes
Hulst
Kapelle
Middelburg
Noord-Beveland
Reimerswaal
Schouwen-Duiveland
Sluis
Terneuzen
Tholen
Veere
Vlissingen



Provincie Zuid-Holland:
Den Haag (Head City)

Alblasserdam
Albrandswaard
Alkemade
Alphen aan den Rijn
Barendrecht
Bergambacht
Bergschenhoek
Berkel en Rodenrijs
Bernisse
Binnenmaas
Bleiswijk
Bodegraven
Boskoop
Brielle
Capelle aan den IJssel
Cromstrijen
Delft
Den Haag ('s-Gravenhage)
Dirksland
Dordrecht
Giessenlanden
Goedereede
Gorinchem
Gouda
Graafstroom
's-Gravendeel
Hardinxveld-Giessendam
Hellevoetsluis
Hendrik-Ido-Ambacht
Hillegom
Jacobswoude
Katwijk
Korendijk
Krimpen aan den IJssel
Leerdam
Leiden
Leiderdorp
Leidschendam-Voorburg
Liemeer
Liesveld
Lisse
Maassluis
Middelharnis
Midden-Delfland
Moordrecht
Nederlek
Nieuw-Lekkerland
Nieuwerkerk aan den IJssel
Nieuwkoop
Noordwijk
Noordwijkerhout
Oegstgeest
Oostflakkee
Oud-Beijerland
Ouderkerk
Papendrecht
Pijnacker-Nootdorp
Reeuwijk
Ridderkerk
Rijnsburg
Rijnwoude
Rijswijk
Rotterdam
Rozenburg
Sassenheim
Schiedam
Schoonhoven
Sliedrecht
Spijkenisse
Strijen
Ter Aar
Valkenburg
Vlaardingen
Vlist
Voorhout
Voorschoten
Waddinxveen
Warmond
Wassenaar
Westland
Westvoorne
Zederik
Zevenhuizen-Moerkapelle
Zoetermeer
Zoeterwoude
Zwijndrecht


Provincie Noord-Holland:
Haarlem (Head City)

Aalsmeer
Alkmaar
Amstelveen
Amsterdam
Andijk
Anna Paulowna
Beemster
Bennebroek
Bergen
Beverwijk
Blaricum
Bloemendaal
Bussum
Castricum
Den Helder
Diemen
Drechterland
Edam-Volendam
Enkhuizen
Graft-De Rijp
Haarlem
Haarlemmerliede en Spaarnwoude
Haarlemmermeer
Harenkarspel
Heemskerk
Heemstede
Heerhugowaard
Heiloo
Hilversum
Hoorn
Huizen
Landsmeer
Langedijk
Laren
Medemblik
Muiden
Naarden
Niedorp
Noorder-Koggenland
Obdam
Oostzaan
Opmeer
Ouder-Amstel
Purmerend
Schagen
Schermer
Stede Broec
Texel
Uitgeest
Uithoorn
Velsen
Venhuizen
Waterland
Weesp
Wervershoof
Wester-Koggenland
Wieringen
Wieringermeer
Wijdemeren
Wognum
Wormerland
Zaanstad
Zandvoort
Zeevang
Zijpe




Provincie Overrijssel:
Zwolle (Head City)

Almelo
Bathmen
Borne
Dalfsen
Dinkelland
Deventer
Enschede
Haaksbergen
Hardenberg
Hellendoorn
Hengelo
Hof van Twente
Kampen
Losser
Oldenzaal
Olst-Wijhe
Ommen
Raalte
Rijssen-Holten
Staphorst
Steenwijkerland
Tubbergen
Twenterand
Wierden
Zwartewaterland

 

[Eliminator]

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overijssel <== More cities.

For leaders I really have to read some history.....
So hold on.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

Thanks, dank je

 

[Eniotna]

Btw.

Brabant = 's-Hertogenbosch not Brussels then.

Why? I think that Brussels was the most important city of the Duchy of Brabant.

 

[Eniotna]

I'm not "belgiumish". I'm walloon, while it's written "belge" ( belgian ) on my ID. But it's not the point

Walloon? What is that? I never heard about Walloons or Wallonia. Does it exist?

 

[Eniotna]

BTW, you should add the County of Loon (Looz in French). It looked like the present-day Belgian province of Limburg before it was integrated into the Principalty of Liège.

 

[unscratchedfoot]

@Unscratchedfoot :
It happens about XIII century. It that time, there were lots of counties, duchies, principlaties,... in what is now Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and northern France. There were lot of fightings, like the "war of the cow" that made 20.000 people die and destroied 60 villages because a cow was stolen from a famer of Liège by another one from Namur

I'm not "belgiumish". I'm walloon, while it's written "belge" ( belgian ) on my ID. But it's not the point

There oil in the north sea. So, for games that aren't stick to middle-age, I want to place one tile desert islands there to have oil.

@Lares : I didn't think about Burgondy, but it could be a nice addition. The problem is Burgondy doesn't appear on the map. And if I want it to appear, I should include half France ! I need to find a solution

MistyArosol the balloon, I like the cow story. For the oil, why not just add oil to whatever terrain type you want to use it on (in editor go to terrain types and flag oil)? Oil just doesn't come up on desert terrain in reality, but putting desert islands up north would really hurt the authenticity of your map I think. Why not use tundra or marsh for oil? Anyways, when you're done I'll give your mod a go if the map size is not too big and try out the cow war.

 

[Eliminator]

Why? I think that Brussels was the most important city of the Duchy of Brabant.

lmao....Brussels = Belgium

 

[MaisseArsouye]

lmao....Brussels = Belgium

The ancient duchy of Brabant included dutch province of Northern Brabant and belgian provinces of Antwerpen, Vlaams Brabant and Brabant Wallon. Brussels was one of the most important cities of that duchy. It also was the capital of the belgian province of Brabant before it was split between Flanders and Wallonia.

Please everybody, keep in mind I don't care about nowadays provinces but only feudal counties, duchies,.. en zo voort. As en example, Hasselt is in Provincie Limburg and Floreffe in the Province de Namur, but both belonged to the Principalty of Liège. But the city of Limbourg, which gave its name to the county, is now in the Province de Liège

 

[Eniotna]

lmao....Brussels = Belgium

Belgium and actual Netherlands were integrated to the Netherlands (de Nederlanden) in the Middle-Ages. When the Nothern Netherlands proclamed their independance, they became the United Provinces (de Verenigde Pronvincies, les Provinces-Unies) while Belgium where called the Spanish Netherlands.

So it's normal that Brussels is the capital of the Couty of Brabant because it was a part of the Netherlands

 

[MaisseArsouye]

I verified, the first capital city of the Duchy of Brabant was LEUVEN ! And it seems like it still was in the XIII. So, I'll take Leuven as the capital of Brabant in my mod.

 

[IamsocleveR]

Isn't Leuven the capital of Vlaams-Brabant right now, too?

 

[MaisseArsouye]

Isn't Leuven the capital of Vlaams-Brabant right now, too?

Yes, it is.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

I bump this thread up because I really need help, especially from flemish and dutch pals

here's a view of the mod I'm making. The map is wider, including more France and parts of England.

Please notice that ancient counties/duchies/... don't fit nowadays provinces !!!!!
Some people were nice enough to give me city list for provinces but it's totally useless to me as far as a city could be in the ancient Principalty of Liège while being in nowaday Provinces of Namur, Limbourg or Luxembourg ! If you want to help me, please keep in mind feudal borders

So, what do I need ? Informations about each of these ancient feudal countries :
City lists
Military leaders lists
Scientific leaders lists
Unique Units ( if they have )
Main traits


Pour les francophones : j'ai surtout de besoin de renseignement sur l'Artois, Lille et Cambrais. Des infos sur le Duché de Limbourg et celui de Luxembourg sont aussi les bienvenus


Voor nederlandstalige mensen : mijn nederlands is zeer slecht en ik vind niets what nederlands betreft


Thanks, Merci, Dank je,

 

[Asclepius]

I thought you might find this map useful to place resources on your map.

You might like to use the original Dutch names for nearly all of the towns instead of English or French. Even Calais (Kales) and Dunkerque (Duinkerke) were areas where Dutch was spoken in the 1500's.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

Thanks for the map.

In the mod, every city will have its original name, in the language inhabitants spoke in that time : Lille, Gent, Namur, Den Haag, Tournai, Brussel,... except for walloons cities that will have french names instead of walloon ones ( Namur, Liège,... and not Nameûr, Lîdje,... ) I used english names on this post so that everybody knows wan understand.

 

[Zeekater]

The military/ scientific leaders, do they have to be about a certain period in time too?

City list might be hard, but I think that a list of the big cities of nowadays should do, right? But in the specific feudal countries of course.

 

[MaisseArsouye]

The military/ scientific leaders, do they have to be about a certain period in time too?

No, I think it will be hard enough to find leaders for all those countries.

City list might be hard, but I think that a list of the big cities of nowadays should do, right? But in the specific feudal countries of course.

Yes, you understood the point. Nowadays cities will be allright. Very few cities were founded ater 1500.

 

[adhdman256]

This is gonna be a good scenario!!!111