Forced resettlement.. what is the concept behind it?
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cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Probably the genocides that occured in Facsist countries...
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
Yes, it is a euphamism.
SauronMaiar
Patrician
It's a little strange, though. Although plenty of fascist governments did scapegoat groups in their populace, I don't think genocide is really part of fascism. Still, it adds a touch of realism to this particular government.
kring
Asst Cook & Bottle Washer
Another way to look at it is people choosing to leave (escape) as well as those that have been forced to resettle. Even with border guards, walls, etc., many have either fled or tried to flee such govt types
Fanny Brice
Prince
You must be familiar with Nazi Germany.
Nationalist sentiment was also driven by a strong ethic identity. So, in the case of Germany in the 30-40s, if you weren't German you weren't part of the Fascist Nazi ideal of the "Master Race." Simplifying GREATLY... you were second class or worse and subject to disenfranchisement (rights and property stripped), exile and death. Witness the German policy in their Eastern conquests where resettlement, starvation, forced labor, and other crimes against humanity were policy and vigorously enforced.
While genocide may not be part of the definition of what constitutes a "Facist" form of govenment. The dark underpinnings of a nationalistic movement based on the superiority of a people's ethnic identity and totalitarian leadership make such abuse easy to start in motion and easy to get out of hand. When a political structure is based on hate, you are going to need a constant supply of it to stay in power.
Nationalist sentiment was also driven by a strong ethic identity. So, in the case of Germany in the 30-40s, if you weren't German you weren't part of the Fascist Nazi ideal of the "Master Race." Simplifying GREATLY... you were second class or worse and subject to disenfranchisement (rights and property stripped), exile and death. Witness the German policy in their Eastern conquests where resettlement, starvation, forced labor, and other crimes against humanity were policy and vigorously enforced.
While genocide may not be part of the definition of what constitutes a "Facist" form of govenment. The dark underpinnings of a nationalistic movement based on the superiority of a people's ethnic identity and totalitarian leadership make such abuse easy to start in motion and easy to get out of hand. When a political structure is based on hate, you are going to need a constant supply of it to stay in power.
Forced resettlement and genocide is far more a part of communism than fascism, Communism killed 100 million+ people in the 20th Century and Stalin killed many more people than Hitler. Also Communist Russia uprooted entire ethnic peoples from their natural homelands and "relocated" them to Siberia.
Believe its only implemented in the game with fascism as a balancer to make Fascism less powerful.
Believe its only implemented in the game with fascism as a balancer to make Fascism less powerful.
SammyDaBull
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Stalin was just a nutjob, he was not advocating real comunism. He was probobly more facist than anything else.
No offence, but judging by the above it seems you have a fair bit to learn about the subject.
Stalin killed many millions of people from different ethnic groups/nationalities as well as millions of his "own people". Dont quite understand your logic in saying killing your own people is somehow better than killing those who are not your own kind!
Not really in the mood for a historical debate right now, so I'll leave it at that
Originally posted by Apricorn
No offence, but judging by the above it seems you have a fair bit to learn about the subject.
Stalin killed many millions of people from different ethnic groups/nationalities as well as millions of his "own people". Dont quite understand your logic in saying killing your own people is somehow better than killing those who are not your own kind!
Not really in the mood for a historical debate right now, so I'll leave it at that
I was talking about the difference in foreign politics. That is the subject right?
TrailblazingScot
I was kittenOFchaos
Tell that to the Baltic States, Poland and Finland.
NiteCreature
Willem van Oranje
Bulgaria, Romania ...
Don't compare killing of people... millions or one, it's all not very nice right?
Don't compare killing of people... millions or one, it's all not very nice right?
Masquerouge
Deity
Don't compare killing of people... millions or one, it's all not very nice right?
Right !
And I view forced resettlement as all your "minority" people going away, not necessarily a genocide.
I think it makes sense.
And I think communism having to poprush is also making sense.
What kind of rushing has fascism, paid or pop'ed ?
USC
Unity Scout Chopper
pop'ed.
If any of you guys thought I meant:
"Killing your own people is good", or:
"Killing foreign people is good", or:
"Killing people is good",
Notify me ok?
What im saying is that having the fascist government killing off foreign people in your newly conquered cities is more realistic than giving that special rule to communism just because Stalin killed people.
What people often do that is quite annoying, is judging a political ideal by how a certain party of country does it/ did it. Stalin (And Civ 3) used a communism different from how Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. However some people judge it by how others have used it, and not how it should be, so make you mind up.
ChaosArbiter
King
Seven-year bump? Really?
timerover51
Deity
People are far less interested in what the theory says compared to how it is put into practice. The game looks at how Communism and Fascism were put into practice, not how they were theoretically supposed to work. And when it comes to killing people by the millions, based on research that I have done in the US National Archives, militaristic Japan beats both Hitler and Stalin combined during the period 1931 to 1945 when it comes to China.
Added Comment:
I guess that you could characterize the Japanese government say from the late 1920s to 1945 as a militaristic feudalism, with a very strong xenophobic streak combined with a very strong sense of racial superiority.
Diviner
Prince
On a side note, I don't think forced resettlement should be equivalent to a holocaust (but surely this was the creators idea). It wouldn't be totally unreasonable to give forced resettlement to the anarchy periods instead of the governments (maybe totalitarian governments could still retain it). Genocides, martial law, statarium have been fairly common in civil wars anyways. The effect of forced resettlement is so small anyways it would just add more realism and take away nothing.
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