Foreign Affairs Activity - Proposal and Discussion

Shaitan

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Please make comments and suggestions. The following is the proposal for Foreign Affairs activity in the next chat turn.

Background:
We are at war with the Aztecs and Egypt.
Egypt has 1 city left and we are poised to take it.
Aztecs are not a threat. Most likely reason that they betrayed us is they needed to make peace with Babylon and/or they are stupid.
Lugdunum and Pompeii (Rome) and Eretria and Rhodes (Greece) are definite targets of our Manifest Destiny. Pisae, Veii, Ravenna and Cumae (Rome) are marginal targets.
Rome and India are the only civs that like us.
Rome has the weakest culture in the game. Greece has very low culture. We have the highest culture.

Proposal:
Immediate: Establish embassies with Iroquois (68 gold), India (86 gold) and Zulu (56 gold).
Immediate: Sign ROP with Iroquois, India and Zulu.
Immediate: Gift Iroquois with 1g/t.
Immediate: Pay moving expenses for Greek workers who want to come to Phoenatica (26 gold).
ASAP: Complete the assimilation of Egypt.
Continue contacting Aztecs until we get peace for peace or better deal. Establish embassy and ROP with Aztecs.
Long Range: Settle in the hilly area between Pompeii and Eretria. Rush library and temple for a cultural assault on Lugdunum, Pompeii and Eretria.

Reasoning:
This will give us embassies with all civs as well as current deals. This will help our standing worldwide.
We need to cultivate strong relations with the Iroquois as they are our best check/response to Chinese agression. I expect China to turn southward but they are unpredictable. The 1g/t gift counts as around 17 gold tribute but also establishes a second deal (with ROP) to turn their attidute faster.
26 gold is a nice price for immigrant workers who will never cost us a penny but count as a unit for our military strength.
The destruction of Egypt will prevent culture flips and reduce our war weariness by half.
There's no benefit to being at war with the Aztecs. We need to end this conflict as soon as possible to get the full benefits of our Republic.
With the proximity of Fox Nest it should not be difficult to assimilate Lugdunum, Pompeii and Eretria if we put a culture bomb in the middle of them. Rhodes will be more difficult and will be dealt with later.

Alternate:
Rome will ally against the Aztecs for a mere 10 gold. This would lock us into war for 20 turns but would save us from any real concern over Aztec attacks. It would also draw Roman forces away from our borders if we wanted to snag Lugdunum and Pompeii with force of arms after 20 turns. I personally don't like this option as it is duplicitous and underhanded. It also puts us into a war for 20 turns when we need to concentrate on consolidating our Egyptian holdings and improving our infrastructure.
 
Excellent proposal Shaitan. Not only is its structure well laid out, with background, immediate and long-range planning, backed up with reasoning and an alternate ending to boot, you've posted it the morning after the turn chat. Good work.

I agree with you on pretty much all of it as far as a foriegn affairs strategy. I don't like the alternate plan either. A waste of 10 gold. I'm still not real sure about all the ROP's. How many nations have the right to trapse through our country-side now?

One civ that everyone seems to avoid discussion on is the Greeks, aside form the minor towns close to us. What, as Dept. of F/A Minister are your long range plans for them? Friendly nieghbors? Future targets? Culture assimilation?
 
Originally posted by Cyc
I'm still not real sure about all the ROP's. How many nations have the right to trapse through our country-side now?
When we're done, they all will have this right. When we can begin trading with our neighbors we can faze out some of the ROP's. At this time the only things we have to offer other civs are ROP's and bribes. The primary purpose of these ROP's is to improve the attitudes of our global neighbors towards us.
One civ that everyone seems to avoid discussion on is the Greeks, aside form the minor towns close to us. What, as Dept. of F/A Minister are your long range plans for them? Friendly nieghbors? Future targets? Culture assimilation?
[roleplay]The Greeks are a jovial and friendly bunch. Unfortunately they are led by a warmongering madman. We will do everything in our power to encourage the emigration of Greek citizens while protecting against the machinations of their leader.[/roleplay]

In other words, cultural assimilation for now. If the populace loses patience for a cultural war we may have to go militaristic to get our Destined territory from them.
 
Long Range: Settle in the hilly area between Pompeii and Eretria. Rush library and temple for a cultural assault on Lugdunum, Pompeii and Eretria.

Cultural Assault!! Gotta love that! We will bury them in books!
Seriously, I am all in favor of this plan. As mentioned, the Roman culture is weak, and will allow us to gradually/peacefully add these cities to our empire. The last thing we need now is another war.
 
I'm also in favor of a cultural assault. We're in a Republic, so a sustained war might be more harm than good. In addition to bribes and ROPs, we can drain their gold by trading with the above nations. India is a potentially trade-rich nation, and we could work something out of that, too.

And, in the long to very long term, we should research better commerce and shipping technologies, and search for new lands. Granted, it might be too far away to settle on, but if it is empty, we can have an island or a continent (hopefully rich in resources) to settle on.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan

Continue contacting Aztecs until we get peace for peace or better deal. Establish embassy and ROP with Aztecs.

Yes, total peace!:)
 
I support the proposal, however we should avoid engaging ourselves in another war until our infrastructure is improved, we shouldn't go to war with rome/Aztec unless necessary for fear of culture flip (which you have proven will not happen).

So Im onboard for your proposal, minus the alliance and the Aztec RoP.
 
I agree with it all except the Aztec ROP. They've already betrayed us.

Also, no alliance, we must end this war soon, the war is getting to the people.
 
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