Foreign Affairs Poll for Polls Term 1

[Provolution]

This poll will investigate the need for polling in the 6 turnchats we have left, with the present rate of 19 turns for 4 turnchats, we are now down to 4,75 turns per turnchat on the average. With the present pace, having 6 turnchats left of our crippled administration, we stand to not come any longer than 46 turns in term one, which is about half the hundred they originally planned for.

For the average of 27 turns, or if we are extremely fortunate, Chieftess guessed 60 turnchats, which means we have 40 turns left under all circumstances, there is only room for Iron Working and the Monarchy Route.

I plan to poll only Peace Agreements and Declarations of War in this term, as technologies do not allow any more leeway.

So the question is, how many polls would you like from the Foreign Affairs Ministry Term 1, from 13 August through 31 August 2004, for the less than 40 terms we have left.

A. One Poll
B. Two Polls
C. Three Polls
D. Four Polls
E. Five Polls
F. Six Polls

There is no abstain vote allowable in this vote, as I am not in need for more constitutional crisis votes destabilizing our ramshackle system...

 

[Black_Hole]

i would abstain(no option), just post polls as needed, we dont need to set a number

 

[GenMarshall]

There is no abstain vote allowable in this vote, as I am not in need for more constitutional crisis votes destabilizing our ramshackle system...

Well I can predict that Ravensfire would be forced to vote or dont vote

 

[Fier Canadien]

I would abstain too, just because you don't know how many polls you will need.

 

[Epimethius]

I abstain, because polls should be conducted by the citizens to indicate their will to their elected representatives, or by those represenatives themselves, so that those representatives obey the will of the people. The Department of Foreign Affairs is in no way justified to start polls on any matter not related to Foreign Affairs.

You're view of this government seems a bit off, really. You're opposed to tiebreaking polls and abstaining, and you think everything's your job....

Speaking of your job, why don't you have a poll relating to the Babylonians? Or do a little entry about them (cities, techs, etc). Something.

 

[Provolution]

Epimethius,
I know as little as you do about the Babylonians, I have access to the exact same data. They have a warrior, they offer BW , Pottery and 10 gold for the wheel.
This is supposed to be polled, and CG already did that. I did not protest that CG did that,
I am not flaming citizens, be it ministers or citizens, or judiciaries, for taking citizen action where vacation ministers fall short. Instead of safeguarding The Domestic Office, you left it idle even though Noldodan was away, if you took some action, instead of doing everything else, developed a fair/effective system on city polling, I would be more than happy, and rather back you up next time.

I have realized that Term One is not going to deliver many Foreign Affairs results, and my motivation has , as you witnessed, fallen tremendoulsy. However, there are many bright and friendly people that may run this better than me. And Cyc was right, I should never have taken action in the absence of vacation ministers, and done absolutely nothing. But Epimethius, if it makes your day in Chicago great, please go on with your steadfast harangue, and fix none of the Demogame problems...

 

[Epimethius]

Babylonians
Cities: 1 (total pop: 1)
-Babylon (capital); size: 1; est. culture: 18; location unknown
Army Size: unknown; larger than ours, minimum 1 warrior, likely a spearman
Knowledge: Bronze Working, Ceremonial Burial, Pottery
Treasury: 10 gold; income unknown
Embassy: No
Spy: No
Government: Despotism

There. That is what I meant. That was all discovered rather easily. They offer no cities, so they only have Babylon. Babylon was founded a turn before us, so it has one more culture, and its population is easily looked up in f11. They have their starting techs, plus pottery. Rather than coming up with a complex way to do our job, I'd perfer if you at least try yours a little first.

I'm Deputy Domestic and Naming. I'll fix domestic problem is Noldy is out, and I'll tell DaveShack what to name things. Beyond that I'll do what I can as a citizen to make this work better. You should fix FA, and do what you can do as a citizen elsewhere.

Noldodan returned in time for the end of his run off election. To my knowledge he has never been out as Domestic Minister, or else I think he would have told me, considering how much we confer on AIM. So I have not been failing to do my job in any capacity.

 

[Provolution]

Question is Epithemus, you want me to say nothing about the other areas as FA?
Remember I speak as a citizen in other polls as well, but I recon that most people are smart enough to see that I am also a citizen, and I never pretended to take over your job. The data you got from the game are all nice and dandy, but the essentials are already being polled, they want to give all their gold (10) and their techs to get wheel.

Cities 1, units 1-2 Civopedia and all these things are given, no need to make a longer posting on that. No need to sit down and do useless clerical jobs when the poll is already up. However, when I know more of the land, we get more data, their moves and so on, then I can work in that capacity. Anyways, at this stage, all civs are despotic.

 

[Epimethius]

What I was driving at is that if you like to present citizens with lots of information, as you've shown you do, then maybe you should do so in your actual juristiction, not Noldodan's. You can say that's all unnecessary, but it seems a bit hypocritical considering you proposed we present each city with a break down of how each tile in the radius would operate under every form of government. What I would like more than anything else would simply be you trying to do your job before you go and do anyone else's. I'd also like to see you stop being so insulted and insulting towards anyone who disagrees with you.

I just want you to do your job, and leave me and Noldodan to do ours.

 

[Provolution]

Epithemius, then you could take on the other ones as well, many people had opinions both on procedure, tiles and so on. However, you decided to pick on me of all people.
That is fair, my style may not appeal to everyone, but when you dig deep inside your heart, you feel I trespassed into your domain by spending more energy on it, and getting recognitition on the work I put in, that you felt offensive.

However, feel free to do exactly as you want on the FA. after all, it is the will of the people that decides, and everything you poll will be used against you:

 

[Black_Hole]

i would prolly like a poll in between each turnchat with more here and there if needed

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Oh, what the heck...... Let's say six polls.

You know, Provo, if I end up being the only one that votes in this poll, I will hold you to my will.

 

[Provolution]

LOL Donnie, I always liked your open and straight thinking, I am as now your sole representative And I will do all six polls....

 

[superpelon]

IMPORTANT!!!


I voted for ONE POLL

This poll would consist of the following options:

Go to War
Keep the Peace

Now Provo has two people under his charge. However, since I am a selfdeclared NEWBIE at this demogame, I voted randomly.

Really, the number of polls really dosent matter, as long as they are really nessesary for the running of the demogame. FA is important, and its important that citizens participate.

PS: you really should have added a Abstain/As many as are needed.

 

[snipelfritz]

I would really abstain, but to make my voice officially heard I voted for six.
I think you should take as many polls as you need.

 

[Provolution]

The people decides how many polls I need, I cannot make that decision on my own.

(For the more insightful, this is also a constitutional test)

 

[Cyc]

Hey, a poll of polls. How about that! I voted 6 just to give you the leeway you'll need. I, too would have voted "as many as you need" but,...anyway good luck.

 

[msz4]

Why there is no abstain posibility??? I think that most of peasants like me don't understand that poll I will not vote then

 

[Rik Meleet]

It seems Abstain is missing on purpose. And "As many as needed" is missing as well.
That leaves 6 as the most flexible option. But don't take that literally.

 

[Gregski]

I don't understand the poll either. You need as many polls as necessary to run the nation effectively. Yes, I really find amusing voting on polls & the like, but sometimes major decisions require multiple polls, a decisive leader or whatnot. Other occasions, you need one poll of:
"Do we need to change anything?". We must avoid having a poll for everything, as certain decisions are simply best left to the people who went to the trouble of actually following the game and deserve to make such decisions in the first place.

What I would really appreciate would be a regular flow of information made available to people similar to that in post #7 by Epimethius. Generally this would be made in conjunction with other ministries, like FA and trade to provide a list of resources/techs to trade (and what's stopping us like oceans, deep rooted hatred for the other nation, etc), FA and military to provide a report on prospects of military conflict and potential success (military strengths, infrastructure: can our military walk straight up to their capital or do we have to hack our way though mountains or lack of roads) etc. The list goes on and on.