Franco will move.

[Cloud_Strife]

What happens when your "side" starts getting censored (using radical groups like Antifa and stuff as casus bellis), based on the same kinds of "socially disruptive and provocative to law and order and making threats of terrorist and violent activities" once the government is safely secure in it's power, right, and mandate to censor wholesale ideologies?

Why can't you answer my question without resorting to whataboutism?

What the hell do you think will happen to people like me, if Neo-Nazis and other bigots are allowed to openly grow, spread and recruit? I will keep asking this question until you answer it because i am not satisfied with your attempts to deflect or tap dance.

 

[Zardnaar]

It is the steady ramping up of content and posts that at first "joke" about removing certain minority groups wholesale from society that eventually mutate and transform into unironic calls for genocide, from there people act upon it.

Trying pointing this out, as i have in this very thread, and you will have people accuse you of not understanding "banter" or insisting it is merely a "joke" even as said community continues to attract more and more deranged individuals, who unfortunately are being prepped to attack others.

That's going to happen regardless Cloud.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

That's going to happen regardless Cloud.

And rapists are going to rape, so might as well do nothing eh, human nature and all eh.

Congrats on enabling the worst of humanity's excesses through fatalism

 

[Dekker]

The Nazi are going to be there regardless

Let's say Obama revoked the free speech part of the Constitution. He passed some sort of anti hate legislation.

Trump still wins and has 2 years to do what he wants. Now imagine someone more competent than Trump.

This isn't a hypothetical either. Look at China or Poland.

Left it right the 1st thing authoritarian regimes do is limit free speech and or control the media.

Dude just stop. Yours and Patines ignorant hypotheticals have nothing to do with anything. So please try harder to actually engage in a reasonable discussion.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The Nazi are going to be there regardless

Let's say Obama revoked the free speech part of the Constitution. He passed some sort of anti hate legislation.

Trump still wins and has 2 years to do what he wants. Now imagine someone more competent than Trump.

This isn't a hypothetical either. Look at China or Poland.

Left it right the 1st thing authoritarian regimes do is limit free speech and or control the media.

Why don't we just hypothesize that Obama sprouts wings and flies over Washington collecting teeth from little children, since that is about the same level of absurdity as him "revoking the constitution."

 

[Dekker]

What happens when your "side" starts getting censored (using radical groups like Antifa and stuff as casus bellis), based on the same kinds of "socially disruptive and provocative to law and order and making threats of terrorist and violent activities" once the government is safely secure in it's power, right, and mandate to censor wholesale ideologies?

You did not ANSWER THE QUESTION.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And because i anticipate that my question will not be answered in a genuine, serious manner without whataboutism i will spell it out:

My life will be made worse. I will suffer. I will be killed. This isn't some hypothetical either, these groups are very clear about what they want to do to PoC, "degenerates" and all other minority groups.

None of that is tolerable to me, but it is to the moderate and therein lies their greatest sin and why i am so unwilling to entertain decorum around a topic that effectively enables the suffering of the weakest in society.

I would never willingly tolerate or allow a group of child abusers intent on kidnapping, raping or harming children and yet moderates seemingly cannot wrap their minds around applying that same exact standard to groups that would harm me even as they continue to make it clear, through their online activity, that they are more than happy to kill me and i'm supposed to remain calm and be "logical" when these moderates can't even bring themselves to censor neo-nazis.

These groups are telling us what they want to do, but moderates would rather give them the benefit of the doubt, as they have for decades, then to implement any real change, because like i said before the changing of the status quo would most likely not benefit them.

 

[Patine]

Look around man. I would say that there is no one here who is better known in terms of equating their consistently expressed on line opinions and their real life than I am. This wild shot is so obviously off the mark that I'm surprised you even tried it. Panicking?

But you obviously have no coherent answer to my question, because, like so many others here, you don't see a problem presented at all. One of the biggest faced by the world today - both far-right and far-left extremists, as well as a lot of establishment government leaders, and certainly big corporations, all have this issue - short-term thinking predominates everything. Long-term thing is undesirable, ignore, or even persecuted in many circles - I know this, as I make a lot of propositions in long-term viewpoints. For a lot of such institutions, if doesn't yield immediate short-term benefits, and it's short-terms flaws aren't don't, it somehow doesn't matter. The PRC is a notable exception to this style, and why they're ascending. However, I consider this style of think to be nihilistic, destructive, wonton, and without any sense, reason, or rationality - completely without abandon. And I do not support ANY such viewpoint - they're all utter stupidity, whether they're far-left, far-right, major political, and certainly corporate, and I have nothing but contempt for any ideology based solely around in spite of the future.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Please explain to all of us the long-term benefits of allowing Neo-Nazis and their fellower travellers to grow, spread and recruit because i don't see any.

 

[Dekker]

That's going to happen regardless Cloud.

Ps Zard guess we should also stop deplatforming pedophiles because that will always happen. By infringing on their free speech, we clearly don't know where that line you and Patine are so concerned about. Funny how you still only defend the free speech of Nazis while both attacking other forms of speech with your constant complaining about SJWs and gays and the hostility caused by others speaking up for themselves. Can't have that, but definitely should have Nazis. Hypocritical and telling.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

But you obviously have no coherent answer to my question, because, like so many others here, you don't see a problem presented at all.

BS. I have coherently, then scoffingly, then irritatedly dismissed the FALSE PREMISE BEHIND your question. Yet YOU seem incapable of moving on and just keep droning it out, I suppose in hopes that I will eventually call you a trash heap or something else infraction worthy.

 

[Patine]

Please explain to all of us the long-term benefits of allowing Neo-Nazis and their fellower travellers to grow, spread and recruit.

Now that you've said Neo-Nazis are my "fellow travellers," and are once again "deciding" my ideology and allegiance, complete contrary to anything I've ever posted, simply for fodder for a vicious and completely emotionally-driven attack phrase and slander (which you've done before), I realize that engaging with you anymore today is futile and will such me opening myself to more abuse, insults, and false accusations. Have a nice day!

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Now that you've said Neo-Nazis are my "fellow travellers," and are once again "deciding" my ideology and allegiance, complete contrary to anything I've ever posted, simply for fodder for a vicious and completely emotionally-driven attack phrase and slander (which you've done before), I realize that engaging with you anymore today is futile and will such me opening myself to more abuse, insults, and false accusations. Have a nice day!

First of all, i wasn't implying you, @Patine were associated with them and second of all, you can't even answer a goddamn question without whataboutism.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Now that you've said Neo-Nazis are my "fellow travellers," and are once again "deciding" my ideology and allegiance, complete contrary to anything I've ever posted, simply for fodder for a vicious and completely emotionally-driven attack phrase and slander (which you've done before), I realize that engaging with you anymore today is futile and will such me opening myself to more abuse, insults, and false accusations. Have a nice day!

Actually it seems very much in keeping with the gist of your position, stated clearly and openly or not.

 

[Patine]

BS. I have coherently, then scoffingly, then irritatedly dismissed the FALSE PREMISE BEHIND your question. Yet YOU seem incapable of moving on and just keep droning it out, I suppose in hopes that I will eventually call you a trash heap or something else infraction worthy.

Big Brother will declare a good sheep one day. Perhaps you'll be one of the inaugural member of the Though Police.

 

[Dekker]

Now that you've said Neo-Nazis are my "fellow travellers," and are once again "deciding" my ideology and allegiance, complete contrary to anything I've ever posted, simply for fodder for a vicious and completely emotionally-driven attack phrase and slander (which you've done before), I realize that engaging with you anymore today is futile and will such me opening myself to more abuse, insults, and false accusations. Have a nice day!

Lol because he did that. Such great reading comprehension. Way to once again NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. And lol at always playing victim when you are one of the worst to hurl abuse and insults. The day will be nicer with your absence

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Big Brother will declare a good sheep one day. Perhaps you'll be one of the inaugural member of the Though Police.

If the degeneration of your typing and spelling is any indication, you really would have been better served had you moved on back when I first suggested it.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

What is the end result of allowing Neo-Nazis and bigots to spread, grow and recruit @Patine?

What would happen to people like me and PoC? What do they groups explicitly say about minorities and what do they intend to do if they gain ANY foothold in society?

 

[Patine]

Actually it seems very much in keeping with the gist of your position, stated clearly and openly or not.

I have never shown any admiration or support for Nazis. And frankly, if I wanted to censor every ideology that I thought was a threat to society or would do horrible, precipitace things if allowed to, the media would be very bland indeed - which was part of the point I was making.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I have never shown any admiration or support for Nazis. And frankly, if I wanted to censor every ideology that I thought was a threat to society or would do horrible, precipitace things if allowed to, the media would be very bland indeed - which was part of the point I was making.

I would rather media be "bland" then be ****ing dead mate.