Franco will move.

[Timsup2nothin]

I have never shown any admiration or support for Nazis.

I dunno man...comparing your extremely passionate defenses of their rights to your brutal dismissals of other people's very similar rights can't help but lead to some wondering.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

My safety takes a backseat to a nazis right to advocate openly about ending my life apparently, but i'm the one crossing the line and being disrespectful.

 

[Dekker]

No it's just Patines roundabout self-righteous, dismissive, and evasive patter.

 

[Patine]

I would rather media be "bland" then be ****ing dead mate.

But I would also ban - hypothetically - Antifa, the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, the Church of Scientology, Walt Disney Productions, the Reza Unida, Islamist Fundamentalists, hardcore rap/hiphop labels, and other things along with the Neo-Nazis, Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, Christian Nationalists/Fundamentalist/Dominionists, etc. And I'd likely even dig up some more - hypothetically speaking.

 

[CurtSibling]

I dunno man...comparing your extremely passionate defenses of their rights to your brutal dismissals of other people's very similar rights can't help but lead to some wondering.

I can save you some wondering, dude. Patine is a decent dude and is against the jackboot crazies as any of us.

This thread is about Franco, not endless hurling of ridiculous and tired accusations of fascist fanboyism.

roundabout self-righteous, dismissive, and evasive patter.

Sounds like most of the posts here...

 

[Cloud_Strife]

But I would also ban - hypothetically - Antifa, the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, the Church of Scientology, Walt Disney Productions, the Reza Unida, Islamist Fundamentalists, hardcore rap/hiphop labels, and other things along with the Neo-Nazis, Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, Christian Nationalists/Fundamentalist/Dominionists, etc. And I'd likely even dig up some - hypothetically speaking.

Answer my question.

What is the end result of allowing Neo-Nazis and bigots to spread, grow and recruit @Patine?

What would happen to people like me and PoC? What do they groups explicitly say about minorities and what do they intend to do if they gain ANY foothold in society?

 

[Patine]

I dunno man...comparing your extremely passionate defenses of their rights to your brutal dismissals of other people's very similar rights can't help but lead to some wondering.

I would defend your right to speak too, though I find what you say often odious, obtuse, caustic, and sh*tdisturbing. And I would defend @Cloud_Strife's right to speak as well. This is what you HAVEN'T taken into account. And, the hypothetical post, above, is, just completely rhetorical.

 

[Dekker]

I would defend your right to speak too, though I find what you say often odious, obtuse, caustic, and sh*tdisturbing. And I would defend @Cloud_Strife's right to speak as well. This is what you HAVEN'T taken into account. And, the hypothetical post, above, is, just completely rhetorical.

Do you equally defend the right of pedophiles to speak? Should we also let their views and opinions go unchallenged?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

This is what you HAVEN'T taken into account. And, the hypothetical post, above, is, just completely rhetorical.

Why can't you answer what would happen to somebody like me, if Nazis and other bigots gained any measure of power in society?

 

[Patine]

Answer my question.

What is the end result of allowing Neo-Nazis and bigots to spread, grow and recruit @Patine?

What would happen to people like me and PoC? What do they groups explicitly say about minorities and what do they intend to do if they gain ANY foothold in society?

Well, in 75 years, they haven't resurrected the Third Reich, or come remotely close. They don't control any government today (and NO, Trump is not REALLY a Nazi, nor is his Administration). There has been no new Holocaust. I mean, this is a frank answer, since you asked.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Your bar must be really low if it takes a literal holocaust for you to become concerned.

People have died in this year alone, because of these neo-nazis and other assorted scum.

 

[Patine]

Do you equally defend the right of pedophiles to speak? Should we also let their views and opinions go unchallenged?

I support their right to SPEAK. I don't support their right to commit their disgusting crimes, and, if they make a public confession to such crimes while speaking, police should still be able to use that as grounds for an arrest warrant and evidence against them.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I support their right to SPEAK. I don't support their right to commit their disgusting crimes, and, if they make a public confession to such crimes while speaking, police should still be able to use that as grounds for an arrest warrant and evidence against them.

But would you allow them to advocate for harming your children and your children's children right up to the point of physically doing it, or would you take action to stop them from doing so, not trying to be an ass, I want to know.

 

[Dekker]

I support their right to SPEAK. I don't support their right to commit their disgusting crimes, and, if they make a public confession to such crimes while speaking, police should still be able to use that as grounds for an arrest warrant and evidence against them.

So colleges should let them host functions, businesses shouldnt choose to shut down their sites at will, news media should invite them to share their views, not crimes, just bring them on to share their views openly, and when they organize publicly to advocate their cause parents should just let them be and not counter protest?

And when anyone does any of the above, you will loudly and proudly argue that we shouldn't censor these types right?

 

[CurtSibling]

But - What if the pedros happen to be transgender? Do they get a free pass?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

But - What if the pedros happen to be transgender? Do they get a free pass?

An absolutely embarrassing post and question, an absolute stinker.

The answer is No.

Someone's societal position or lack there off does not justify child abuse nor make it acceptable in any context.

 

[Patine]

So colleges should let them host functions, businesses shouldnt choose to shut down their sites at will, news media should invite them to share their views, not crimes, just bring them on to share their views openly, and when they organize publicly to advocate their cause parents should just let them be and not counter protest?

The college thing is unfairly brought into this. I believe the board of regents and chancellor or president of a given college or university should not be OBLIGED to let people speak on their campuses that would be disruptive or stain the institution's reputation. What a lot of people don't understand about free speech is that it doesn't actually apply to private worksites, institutions, or organizations (or even government-funded ones that are run very autonomously, like most public universities) - it applies in publishing and the press, public rallies and speeches (like in city squares or parks), or by recent legislation, on the Internet subject to moderation of forum, social media, email, etc. owners.

 

[Gorbles]

lmao @CurtSibling. Typical conservative rhetoric. "well what if a minority was a bad person, checkmate liberals". I'm charitably assuming "pedros" was an honest mistake, too.

Well, in 75 years, they haven't resurrected the Third Reich, or come remotely close. They don't control any government today (and NO, Trump is not REALLY a Nazi, nor is his Administration). There has been no new Holocaust. I mean, this is a frank answer, since you asked.

Genuine question: why do you not consider a right-wing populist authoritarian embedded in an increasingly nationalist party not a Nazi?

Because he doesn't have the right regalia? The correct insignia? Because people don't call him a literal Führer? You always claim your superiority in your ideals, beliefs and general knowledge, and yet you can't seemingly see the obvious parallels between Trump, the party that enables him, their increasing disregard for the law and disdain for "other" kinds of people . . . and Hitler, the party that enabled him, their disregard for the law and disdain for non-Aryan folk.

Like, uh. Help folks out, if you're just that much better at knowledge than the rest of us. Or don't, but then don't moan when people make the simplest correlations they can with the limited data they have available. You can't have it both ways.

 

[CurtSibling]

An absolutely embarrassing post and question, an absolute stinker.

The answer is No.

Someone's societal position or lack there off does not justify child abuse nor make it acceptable in any context.

The extra waffle was not required, but you answered without delay. Good work.

 

[Dekker]

But - What if the pedros happen to be transgender? Do they get a free pass?

While this thread is off topic, that's a terrible derail not rooted in anything being discussed

The college thing is unfairly brought into this. I believe the board of regents and chancellor or president of a given college or university should not be OBLIGED to let people speak on their campuses that would be disruptive or stain the institution's reputation. What a lot of people don't understand about free speech is that it doesn't actually apply to private worksites, institutions, or organizations (or even government-funded ones that are run very autonomously, like most public universities) - it applies in publishing and the press, public rallies and speeches (like in city squares or parks), or by recent legislation, on the Internet subject to moderation of forum, social media, email, etc. owners.

Sooo no answer to my question.