Freud and CS Lewis Debate God on TV

[Syterion]

It's going to be on today at 4 for me, I think.

 

[CurtSibling]

You can only prove it to yourself, Curt.

I determined my answer, long ago.

It's the pushy religionists who need to reconcile their ideologies.

 

[downtown]

Curt, if either side here could PROVE their case, beyond a shadow of a doubt, we wouldnt have any more of these threads.

C.S lewis, in all his brillence, could not PROVE the exsistence of God. He couldnt, he cant. I dont think anybody can.

On the other side of the coin, nor you, nor freud, nor any scientist, can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no God.

There is no Data. There is no way to experiement. the scientifitc meathod cannot answer the question. there can be no proof. Each person makes the choice for themself.

I tire a little bit of this every thread that might contain the word God must have curt bellow HAHA STUPID SHEEP!1! THERE IS NO GOD1!!one. Ok. we get it. For somebody who professes such distaste for religionists who preach, are you not becoming what you appear to hate?

 

[nihilistic]

C.S lewis, in all his brillence, could not PROVE the exsistence of God. He couldnt, he cant. I dont think anybody can.

Brightness, or whatever you choose to describe CS Lewis, is useless when there is no evidence to speak of.

On the other side of the coin, nor you, nor freud, nor any scientist, can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no God.

Depends on what you mean by "beyond a shadow of a doubt". If you evaluate by probability, then it can be demonstrated that the probability of your particular god existing, whichever god it is, is 0. If you evaluate by possibility, then no, we can't show that your theory of god is impossible the same way we cannot show that Santa Claus is impossible.

There is no Data. There is no way to experiement. the scientifitc meathod cannot answer the question. there can be no proof. Each person makes the choice for themself.

There is no proof either way, but you made a positive claim. The burden of proof is yours. Until you can prove your case or demonstrate that your case has a higher possibility of happening than, say ... Santa Claus; Curt has every right to claim that you are BSing.

I tire a little bit of this every thread that might contain the word God must have curt bellow HAHA STUPID SHEEP!1! THERE IS NO GOD1!!one. Ok. we get it. For somebody who professes such distaste for religionists who preach, are you not becoming what you appear to hate?

If you want to make the claim that believe in any specific deity is not irrational (stupid), we can discuss that seperately.

 

[CurtSibling]

Curt, if either side here could PROVE their case, beyond a shadow of a doubt, we wouldnt have any more of these threads.

That is not the point.
One faction completely discards logic anyway.

Even if they had proof of no god, they would continue in delusion.

C.S lewis, in all his brillence, could not PROVE the exsistence of God. He couldnt, he cant. I dont think anybody can.

Which brings my to my primary point:

Why preach about it then?

On the other side of the coin, nor you, nor freud, nor any scientist, can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no God.

Do I go all 'rapture' and forcibly try to convert people?
Do you see me on a street corner preaching atheism?
Do you see me going jihad and killing people over atheism?

No these activities are restricted to religionists who merely
cannot be content to enjoy their philosophy hobby.

When their war ends, so will mine.

There is no Data. There is no way to experiement. the scientifitc meathod cannot answer the question. there can be no proof. Each person makes the choice for themself.

But what happens when religionists overstep the line into violence or sinister means?

Do you happily sit and let them burn you at the stake, or bomb you?

Personally, that is not for me.

I tire a little bit of this every thread that might contain the word God must have curt bellow HAHA STUPID SHEEP!1! THERE IS NO GOD1!!one. Ok. we get it. For somebody who professes such distaste for religionists who preach, are you not becoming what you appear to hate?

I do not have a machine-pistol at your head forcing you to read my posts.

Use the ignore button if you cannot bear seeing someone stand up to fanatical religionists.

 

[stormbind]

Do I go all 'rapture' and forcibly try to convert people?
Do you see me on a street corner preaching atheism?
Do you see me going jihad and killing people over atheism?

You are continuously trying to convert people. You won't leave them alone until they say "Your right. I'm wrong."

I can't see your street corners, but you certainly preach atheism on these boards.

Jesus said that to insult someone, is to murder their soul, or something to that effect. You insult Christians all the time, and by their definition, you are trying to murder their will.

 

[storealex]

I determined my answer, long ago.

It's the pushy religionists who need to reconcile their ideologies.

That goes for pushy atheists too, and quite frankly Curt, your endless crusade against religion is both tiresome and insulting. I guess I wouldn't mind, if you just debated with manners, but you don't. Where's that famous British tact?

 

[CurtSibling]

You are continuously trying to convert people. You won't leave them alone until they say "Your right. I'm wrong."

Not really.

I care not what people are into - As long as they do not try to cross my path.

Most religions seek to stifle all dissent - They have a massive backlog of crimes to answer for.

If you think I will ever stand for intolerance and bullying, you have another think coming...

I can't see your street corners, but you certainly preach atheism on these boards.

I have an opinion.
Something that your faction cannot tolerate.

Would you step back and let people do as they will?
I know for a fact that your faction are driven to convert, by force if needed.

If you could be neutral, I would stand down.

You can't - So I won't.

Jesus said that to insult someone, is to murder their soul, or something to that effect. You insult Christians all the time, and by their definition, you are trying to murder their will.

At least get your dogma correct...

I only wish I had the power to do what you accuse.

 

[CurtSibling]

That goes for pushy atheists too, and quite frankly Curt, your endless crusade against religion is both tiresome and insulting.

Have you ever seen any real manners displayed by the religionists here?

Tell me when you do.

I guess I wouldn't mind, if you just debated with manners, but you don't. Where's that famous British tact?

When I get confronted with religious arrogance and intolerance, you expect me to bow and scrape?

That is something you should learn about we Brits - We don't suffer tyrants or bullies. Moderator Action: Flaming and bashing, with 7 warnings/restriction arleady this summer, a longer restriction is called for, 7 days
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[Aphex_Twin]

Freud and CS Lewis Debate God on TV

It should go: "Curd and Storalex and Stormbind debate God on CFC"

 

[stormbind]

Most religions seek to stifle all dissent - They have a massive backlog of crimes to answer for.

There is evidence to show that those crimes were performed by man, not religion. Should one man's crimes be inherited by another? Were any of your ancestors ever religious?

Something that your faction cannot tolerate.

My faction, huh? I never knew I had a faction.. Curt, you are the one that attacks me for being Christian. I do not insult you for being athiest.

This appears to be a juxtaposition. How do you justify your attacks?

Would you step back and let people do as they will?
I know for a fact that your faction are driven to convert, by force if needed.

*stormbind contemplates his response...*

If you could be neutral, I would stand down.

You can't - So I won't.

Curt, I hope that one day you cease to be athiest, but I am not the person to convert you, and I have never tried to convince you otherwise.

At least get your dogma correct...

This is partly the reason why I do not preach

 

[Amenhotep7]

Have you ever seen any real manners displayed by the religionists here?

From what I observe, more manners than you. Look at Plexus, look at Stormbind. I have no recollection of them, devout Christians, ever being rude to an atheist in matters concerning religion on these boards.

Curt, from all I can observe, you are trying to put down all Christians. Whenever there's a thread about religion, one that is not trying to convert people but one that just has to do with, maybe an interpretation or a hypothetical question, like stratego's "Did Adam do us a favor by getting kicked out of Eden?" thread. How is that thread an attack?

I care not what people are into - As long as they do not try to cross my path.

Name one instance where a "religionist" on this board has attacked you for your atheism unprovokled by your constant rantings.

Curt, you seem to constantly lump together the "bad eggs" of one group with all the people in that group.

I met this one idiot who says he hates Germans because "they're Nazis". What you do seems to be quite similar in their respective basic forms. You seem to assume just because some people did something in the name of religion that is horrible that all people who are not atheists or at least agnostics are just that, religous, counter-productive nutters. This is an assumption that is entirely incorrect.

And your other incorrect assumption is that all religions of today, particularly and almost exclusively any and all forms of Christianity, are the bible-thumping dogmatic hatemongering organizations of the Crusades and Inquisition. This is entirely incorrect and untrue.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Civilized debate is usually more interesting, but rarely as entertaining.

 

[WillJ]

Civilized debate is usually more interesting, but rarely as entertaining.

Which is why I hope this Freud vs. Lewis thing just turns into a Celebrity Boxing match.

 

[CurtSibling]

From what I observe, more manners than you. Look at Plexus, look at Stormbind. I have no recollection of them, devout Christians, ever being rude to an atheist in matters concerning religion on these boards.

Sounds like you are reading what you want to read.

I suggest you broaden your recollective abilities, as almost every reaction I
get from religionists is negative and prone to much misguided triumphalism.

Curt, from all I can observe, you are trying to put down all Christians. Whenever there's a thread about religion, one that is not trying to convert people but one that just has to do with, maybe an interpretation or a hypothetical question, like stratego's "Did Adam do us a favor by getting kicked out of Eden?" thread. How is that thread an attack?

I have an opinion, and I oppose religion (be it bible, koran or any such), so get used to the idea.

In no way am I ever going to bow down and allow the religionists to have sway to expound their unproven dogma.

If you can't take it - No-one forces you to read it.

Name one instance where a "religionist" on this board has attacked you for your atheism unprovokled by your constant rantings.

I am currently answering to one such attack.

Curt, you seem to constantly lump together the "bad eggs" of one group with all the people in that group.

Am I alone in doing this?

Would you sit and sift through followers of Nazism or Stalinism to see if there are any 'nice guys?'

Sure you would - Not.

I met this one idiot who says he hates Germans because "they're Nazis". What you do seems to be quite similar in their respective basic forms. You seem to assume just because some people did something in the name of religion that is horrible that all people who are not atheists or at least agnostics are just that, religous, counter-productive nutters. This is an assumption that is entirely incorrect.

If you wish to deal insults, have the guts to do so outright,
rather than referencing to some metaphoric story...

And as for the metaphor in question, well I see the followers today merely
forgiving themselves for the past crimes of their historical forebears.

Not good enough - !

All religion is the scapegoat for me.
So, if you are waiting for me to declare peace - Don't wait up.

And your other incorrect assumption is that all religions of today, particularly and almost exclusively any and all forms of Christianity, are the bible-thumping dogmatic hatemongering organizations of the Crusades and Inquisition. This is entirely incorrect and untrue.

In your opinion.

And such opinions have as much meaning to me as yesterday's toenail clippings.

Sorry.



PS
I think Sigmund is not a good person to front the pro-evolution side.

 

[downtown]

Have you ever seen any real manners displayed by the religionists here?

Tell me when you do.

when have I not been civil to you? in the time that Ive been here, I dont remmeber too many times when a religionist has actually attacked you.

 

[test_specimen]

PS
I think Sigmund is not a good person to front the pro-evolution side.

Very true. Shouldn't the debate be between Darwin and the pope?

It is strange to see all the creationists insuliting Freud - my guess is, it's not just because he is the one defending evolution, but also because of his lifestyle and because he made the exorcists jobless.

 

[stormbind]

Shouldn't the debate be between Darwin and the pope?

Was Darwin truely athiest, agnostic, non-practicing Christian, or perhaps Christian?

His wife was a devout (Catholic?) Christian, and she supported him in his work. I know he lost a young daughter, and that event may have weakened faith. Most Christian churches do no oppose Darwin's theory.

 

[Free Enterprise]

That is something you should learn about we Brits - We don't suffer tyrants or bullies.

The majority of whom are religious in some way.

 

[Amenhotep7]

I am currently answering to one such attack.

I am not the only one with bad recollective abilities. I asked you:

Name one instance where a "religionist" on this board has attacked you for your atheism unprovokled by your constant rantings.

My "attack," if it could be called such a thing, was provoked by one of many of your constant rantings.

Curt, there's a difference between an opinion and incessant attacks/rantings. Your posts started out as opinions, but now they become the same claptrap every post. Not only that, they are brutal, possibly to the point of flaming.

And I also find it disturbing that you now, it appears, have taken a liking to lumping any sort of religous doctrine with Stalinism and Nazism:

Am I alone in doing this?

Would you sit and sift through followers of Nazism or Stalinism to see if there are any 'nice guys?'

Sure you would - Not.

And nobody's asking you to bow down to religionists. But people are asking you to stop lumping people together, automatically thinking like:

Religionists = Inquisitors/Jihadists i.e. Bad People

P.S. And for the record, I am no creationist.