From Zee Immortal Meatgrinder

[smallfish]

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I'm not sure how this happened, where were her Ships of the Line, but it did.

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It also had the effect of pissing off his friend Augustus and eventually the Romans declared war and took London.

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There were only the warmongers left on this messed up Immortal game

Askia, Suleiman, Augustus, Harald Bluetooth, Dido...

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Yeah, her too. Complete warmonger. Autocracy opened and Honor left side.

England got conquered by both the Romans and the Danes. The Netherlands was felled by Harald Bluetooth. The Koreans... well, their turtleships were tough, but now most of them save one captured early in the 2nd War of Continental Unification are museum pieces in Fair Carthage.


Possibly the funniest screenshot of all them:

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"Songhai and Rome made a public declaration of friendship. For 339 gold, Rome declared war on Songhai."


The standard time frame for Immortal runaways:

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Anyways he never really liked us much. I couldn't blame him, being Carthage and all.

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I got artillery too little too late, depending on tech steals to unlock dynamite was the worst idea ever. Had I know how opaque the secrets of Artillery were, I would have suffered the 17 turns required instead of waiting for my agent in Rome.

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He really hated us.

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The Songhay fought well with honor. Given the amount of forces at my disposal, it was amazing - UTTERLY AMAZING - that I managed to smash through Askia. A single Logistics Artillery helped, I suppose... and being in permanent war with Harald my friend.

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The Charge of the Last Turtle Ship (they are endangered spieces)

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Boethius' Armed Forces Guide, circa 1905 AD

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Perilously close to our legendary city:

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Here is why I love Carthage's UA. Simply amazing stuff.

My riflemen crossed the alps to take Tombouctu, my only regret was that I should have done it MUCH earlier...

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The Danes trying their best to whittle the Songhay foe

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Harald Bluetooth the Conqueror of Netherlands and England

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Our top man in Istanbul wasn't so lucky

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The taking of Gao:

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This is a strange world. There are only Autocracies and Order. Me, Suleiman, Harald, all are in the Autocratic mold, whereas Augustus decided to be a chump and go for his usual Order. Askia was undecided, but its quite likely he will be taking Autocracy as well.

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The continent is somewhat mine.

I need to conquer the city-states (allied to Roma Amigos), and our Carthaginian fortress should be infinitely secured.

Until Stealth.

 

[Heerlo]

Nice story.

"The Songhai and Rome have made a public declaration of friendship, forging a strong bond between the two empire".Then, "Rome declares war on Songhai!"

 

[smallfish]

Nice story.

"The Songhai and Rome have made a public declaration of friendship, forging a strong bond between the two empire".Then, "Rome declares war on Songhai!"

Danke, update incoming

For starters though, this was some pretty vicious fighting on the naval side. I think if those who said Privateers were OP had played this game, they might have second thoughts because even Privateers were useless when you can't spot the subs (and have only so few).

 

[smallfish]

At some point in time, Augustus settled Arpinum really close to our capital while we weren't watching and been keeping a tech-heavy force to show the flag. First it was WW2 Infantry, then he quickly replaced them with Mech Inf and Tanks, supported by the occasional Battleship in the fog.

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Meanwhile on the pursuit to unify continent entirely...

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Battleships are awesome. A 4 BB gunline can pretty much waste an entire Information city (those below 150 def) in a couple turns, and that's what happened with Zanzibar here.

Can't have Roman puppets in my underbelly.

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I managed to nab this Destroyer before the city fell. Thing with nabbing modern units with outdated Privateers is that you have to get them at the right health. If this Destroyer had a little more red in its bars, I would have just lost my Privateer instead.

Zanzibar taken:

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One of the few things I learned about the new melee naval units - they are practically Incan Slingers

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I'm not sure why Askia would build Jenne in such a location... perhaps he was planning to conquer Prague and use it as his harbor, but I doubt it.

Dude was surprisingly cultural type.

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Rinse repeat for Hanoi, another Destroyer taken.

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At this point I had little to fear from our Roman friend. I didn't spot him having any nukes, while my then-ally the Danes had tons of uraniums (with Fascism).

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He wouldn't budge, so I paid off the son of Gorm the Ole to knock him off

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Shifting my forces to the borders of Rome, Augustus was smart enough to see what was coming so he citadel-bombed me

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I showed him what it meant to mess with a human runaway with cheap tactics:

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Then well...

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He had a ton of cash. I wished he would have given me 9999g, but oh well.

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thus began the Punic War to End All Punic Wars

 

[smallfish]

The opening shots were something Pearl Harbor-esquey, except it didn't end with the Roman fleet decimated (they were all over the world, most fighting the Danes to the east) but I did manage to grab a nice prize

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Unfortunately, the Romans kept true to their promise of destruction and I just kept losing stuff.

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Area aggressively patrolled by tons of Roman naval assets.

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An anachronistic navy keeping our new spoils safe from any Roman attempt to bushwhack it back.

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But we had pressing issues. Much pressing issues.

The moment I declared war, the Romans settled a city way down south of Lhasa. So I wasted 1000g to bring Lhasa to the table as an ally in this long struggle against the hated Roman foe.

I couldn't fathom why Augustus would do that until I discovered Atomic Theory.

Extremely bad news. Instead of pushing towards Antium, a move that was folly at best given my utter lack of Destroyers and submarines, I had to take out this viper nest aimed at my underbelly.

Plus extra uranium wouldn't hurt.

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The Tibetans were unwilling to aggressively push into Setia UNTIL this happened:

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We were perplexed.

Past reconnaissance of Roman strategic resources told us they had no base uraniums of their own.

So we checked his CS allies, and lo one of them (Ragusa) had uraniums. Worse, Augustus had fully taken Patronage, and he had that policy with double strat resource quantities from CS allies.

A vicious back and forth struggle for Setia ensued. We took it first time with a Privateer, then lost it when a Roman mech inf with rocket arty rushed in from Satricum. Eventually with two carrier groups online, we managed to take it again, but Augustus was double quick to shift his atomic arsenal.

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Or maybe he just had that many, we couldn't be entirely certain.

What we could be certain was that he intended for this pair of cities to be gateway beachheads for whatever nefarious plots.

Like basing atomics on carriers and strikng from where I would least expect.

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The Romans tried reinforcing their beachheads, but after I sunk their battleship they kinda withdrew.

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Kinda because I would lose my only nuclear submarine not long after this shot.


Anyways, remember when I said I paid off the Danes to go to war with the Romans? Well, they eventually made peace, and the Danes were about to overrun the last of the Ottomans.

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So I paid them off again not long after this:

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Also we took Satricum and gifted it to the Songhai, much good it will do them.


At this point, any hope of a "quick easy" victory over the Romans had dried up, and we settled for a grueling holding action against this Immortal Runaway.

At one point, the Romans had the largest armed force on the entire planet. At this point, the Danes had far surpassed them, and thus were unwilling to back down for peace.

A good thing, but it didn't seem to affect the Roman lines much.

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Attempts to convert their "advanced" naval units (nuke boats) and battleships were 10 failures for every 1 success.

We would occasionally shoot aircraft at each other

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Although I did far more bombing runs than Augustus did because there was no way I was going to effectively block his nuclear submarine wolfpacks

Here though is where Spies come into play. They are perhaps the greatest asset the expansion has given the player, and they are most certainly far from useless.

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Eventually the Romans decided to form for an invasion, starting with this gunline of battleships.

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One of our many failed conversion attempts

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We lost them both to nuclear submarine execution packs after this shot.

Romans also began aggressively hunting and killing my top units

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Was surprised they managed to pin-point one of my artillery units in Arpinum, fortified in a Citadel no less. Then I realized they had tons of spies too, and that he was planning something really big...

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I hadn't gone nuclear at this point, which was amazing because my last Immortal game where I was put in such a position I didn't hesitate to drop as many nuclear weapons as soon as they rolled off.

But then Augustus decided he wanted to break the deadlock with me.

Had myself a stockpile of four atomics. Intended to build until 10 or 12 before employing them en masse on the Italian peninsula, a great atomic holocaust to rival Hiroshima and Nagasaki and something I was certain Augustus might not recover from.

The appearance of that nuke sub with that... infernal rocket, however, forced my hand earlier than I would have liked.

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He did his best to fight me off, but between my gunlines and carrier group and some atomic weaponry, he couldn't match up.

It was local tactical superiority at its finest.

And finally, a pair of nuclear submarines worth keeping (not shown).

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The airsweep was pretty crucial in paving the way for Bombing Runs.

I still lost a good chunk of Bombers, but at least the ones that did have an easier time could complete their runs without having to heal for 5 long turns.

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At this point, Carthage kinda went nuke happy.

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Hannibal would have been proud.

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I had an Infantry take Rome, but then Augustus decided this was the best time to nuke me and so I lost that Infantry.

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He also began forming up a gunline to retake Rome.

Initially he had a Destroyer in tow, but a couple of Bombers quickly destroyed his melee naval attempt.

Then his lackey Bucharest decided to make a grab for that wonder-filled capital.

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It would have been both hilarious and sad if that Privateer took Rome, but alas...

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"Tell me Caesar, do you know how powerful the fleets, nuclear arsenal and brave but little footsloggers of Fair Carthage are? No? Well today, you have just found out."

 

[Heerlo]

Great story.And you're right, Hannibal would be so proud that you defeated the Romans so badly.

I didn't know you could captured nuclear subs.That's pretty neat.

 

[smallfish]

Great story.And you're right, Hannibal would be so proud that you defeated the Romans so badly.

I didn't know you could captured nuclear subs.That's pretty neat.

Yeah you can. I'll probably be playing this level more because its the only one I know (outside Deity) where AI will use subs by late T200ish-early T300s.

For now, we are trying a team game on Immortal for first time, with someone I haven't played much at all.

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We had nice start, though Turn 0 settling was unfeasible.

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I had an entire island to myself, but friend Sejong wasn't alone.

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Managed to lay down a Tabarnakian 4 cities as a result of tech boost and greater range of trading partners, but people didn't like that

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A fellow neighbor, and already me posssessing 4 cities was way too much for her.

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But man, what were they going to do? Send in triremes to knock my hill capital out?

And anyways, for a long time, Germany and I were friends (they didn't like Korea, but what could they do too?)

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It was great stuff that eventually led to me becoming friends with her too.

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My other neighbor wasn't that much of a friend.

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He and Washington, who were apparently on the same continent, were at war with Polynesia and each other ever since I met them.

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Have you seen an Immortal AI being unhappy before? Now consider yourself enlightened:

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Rome the REXer:

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Veiled threats I never took seriously. Unlike the other Rome in Carthage game above, he was not yet a massive runaway, and I had a friend who helped me boost techs.

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Our noble and just religion:

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Our first batch of naval ships ready to get into action:

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But wait... what's this?

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Ah, you fool. I will now mercilessly crush you.

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So strong, and still, so stupid.

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We lost a Galleas template, but it ended as you might expect.

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Bulbed with Oxford

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The Koreans however suffered massively after they shifted most of their forces down south in expectation of a (imaginary) Roman thrust.

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Perhaps this was why Sejong made sudden peace with Augustus, just as I was ready to put Arpinium to cannonfire

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Thus this marked the end of the Roman War.

The first.

 

[Heerlo]

Prague was pretty vicious in taking that city from Korea.

Did you ever get MD as a Deity coach?

 

[smallfish]

Prague was pretty vicious in taking that city from Korea.

Did you ever get MD as a Deity coach?

Yeah, he had quite a bit of Hwachas. Had he actually used them (and Turdleship spam), Prague would not have been able to come into his realm at all.

Alas, nope. He has not responded and I don't think he will.

 

[smallfish]

We will now just speed through this thing, because personally, I prefer imgur over PB and the former won't load any of my images.

So, the many wars of Rome. The second Continuation:

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War with Rome, 3rd Edition

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The War to End All Romes

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This one was the most significant, for we not only bagged his capital, but also put him into a really massive world war (everyone else v Rome) - if they are not at war, they have denounced him (Russia)

What it means to be a fire bait in smallfish's army:

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We finally bagged his wonders, and boy this will be painful for every other civ thinking of invading us

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But I think one of the strongest points of CiV is that... you can really roll the opposition anytime you want. Maybe it might be a little easy than in a Paradox game, but you can still have fun with it.

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You can probably guess who my next target is. My very own, personal friend (but not as personal as Sejong)

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Because Sejong renewed his DoF with him a while back, from now on everyone is wary of him (and thus, me)

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A random shot of me bagging a wonder this late (and Brandenburg's)

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He is already in Modern. I cannot wait for him to get Bombers and B17s, so he must die.

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sorry, KoreanPrez

 

[Heerlo]

You're killing my Washington?!

Just kidding, it's fine.Hannibal would still be proud, even though you're not Carthage anymore.

 

[MadDjinn]

Alas, nope. He has not responded and I don't think he will.

I'm just a little slow on responding to everything

things to do, stuff to record and what not

 

[smallfish]

You're killing my Washington?!

Just kidding, it's fine.Hannibal would still be proud, even though you're not Carthage anymore.

I shall make it as painless as I can. Don't count on it though - if he pisses me off really bad with bomber spam, I shall have to use them...

I'm just a little slow on responding to everything

things to do, stuff to record and what not

Wheeee!

 

[Heerlo]

I was just kidding;Do it however you want to.

 

[smallfish]

It was interesting... Washington didn't go for B17s, but something else just as good for this kind of map

People also started not liking me, as in Arabia, even though they showed as friends. Polynesia refused a DoF renewal offer and would only give me 209g for a lux. Same with China.

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So I paid off our resident warmonger to have a go at him (apparently they made peace sometimes ago)

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It was hilarious

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Not so hilarious was Sejong last minute peace

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So I took opportunity to shift navy to the far east, the other side of it, where juicy Washington waited

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Then we got into Modern ourselves.

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Bombers bombers Bombers, Bombers bombers Bombers

But then shock - horror - agony.

Our dear friend whom we helped showed no gratitude at all. She also covets our lands.

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Also, Roman units passing through (Sejong gave him Open Borders) to continue their war (defensive - Wittenberg area mostly) against America and Polynesia.

Note the Mehal Sefari

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While navy was passing through East, Augustus got really paranoid

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Our very first two Logistics Bombers, rushbought with all our treasury funds at the moment and appropriately monikered for the wanton destruction they will bring to immortal foes everywhere

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I had managed to renew Polynesia DoF (they came up and offered!) after Augustus went to war with them again. So this was... awkward

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Yeah, they really disliked me after all. So many of them disliked me... "covets your wonders"

Goodness, they need to stop thinking of wonderspam

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Our fleet managed to pass through the Roman Panama Canal, but lonely GA had to wait... possibly forever or at least until I renew war with Augustus

(because I can)

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More people asking me to do extremely peculiar requests

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Moments before the 2nd American War, a legendary Great Admiral who was foe comes to aid the USN

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They always say this, but I have to give him credit

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He had Iowas

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A terrifying gunline of them, probably the reason why I'm not seeing Bombers or Fighters from him

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It would be difficult for me to position all four artilleries without at least one of them getting wiped clean by his offshore naval platforms (or his lovely GW infantries)

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Another bomber entering the fray:

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But that's what the navy and airforce is for

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At the moment of the Burning of White House (ca. 1735AD), a new Great General came into play on our side

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His nemesis, old guts n glory

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BBs destroying more of my stuff that they can spot. Thankfully not the artillery...

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Our friend Sejong was having quite the hard time, I will eventually have to come and help him out

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This is a short update, I need be fishing now.

Thus, Here I Stand

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[Heerlo]

You burned the White house?!Just kidding.

Well, I have not ever seen that happen in one of my games, where someone asks me to denounce someone, and I haven't seen it happen much on anyone else games on here, but it happened twice here?Wow.

 

[smallfish]

Well, just like ironclads, it is a lot more common than in the original. In fact, you should get this expansion pack, Cho... but only after the next round of patching because I predict some hefty changes will be made (remember the days of Vanilla when you could upgrade units inside anyone's borders, or when Destroyers were unlocked alongside aluminium? Yeah...)

But for now... sigh, we had another peace at Sejong's insistence

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Another funny named bomber... I just love naming and then showing them off!

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The Romans, amazingly enough, had gone down the bottom tech tree like hotcakes. Perhaps they were learning... and certainly watching... and waiting...

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I could not stand the sight of those... American battleships in and around NYC

So I paid off the Prussians to invade the United Socialist States of America

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The Heer mobilizes to take on Amerika

Another funny bomber picture

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But then shocking news came - someone has entered the Atomic Era first, and it was not Chairman Washington

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Well it did not matter. He entered it some turns late.

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General Zhukov did not come to the Potomac Line - instead, he helped us build a citadel to counter future threats from the Romans

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Finally fed up of being held at the Panama Canal for so long, Calonymus decides to go exploring the northern darkness where Russia lays

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An example of interservice cooperation between Kriegsmarine and Heer

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Please don't take this as a boring warmongering fest, Washington is just being Washington (and locked into a multi-front war)

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1802 AD: LA falls to combined Arab-Korean assault

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Sigh, be thankful we can't do anything with the likes of you at the moment

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Meanwhile, American Battleships attempt to target our artilleries... with mixed results

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The taking and razing of Atlanta

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More funny bombers entering the front

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The naval battle of Los Angeles - Turtleships, Arabian Bombers, Frigates, Privateers vs a pair of USN Iowas

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Yeah, I can smell a surprise joint DOW from a thousand hexes away. Just like good ol' Vanilla, only without the "trying to win the game in a similar manner to them"

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We caught Chinese and Russian spies stealing techs from us, so we denounced the both of them. So we can't really do a thing to Atomic Russia yet, but we can get this...

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Valiant Arabian swashbucklers board and take over the... USS Unity. It will be the first and only time we hijacked a BB in this 3rd American War

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More Battleship vs Artillery duel

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San Francisco was well-defended with a gunline, and that rough terrain with river crossing

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An invisible USN battleship...

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So we decided to front with a Rifleman and GW Infantry combo, added bonus being that the Rifleman was wounded and thus a designated bait

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They not only murderized the Rifleman, but brought in enough reinforcements to prepare taking back SF should my GW take it

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Unfortunately, the Deutsches Heer were working their way towards taking out the American colonies, starting with Sejong's former city

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Then we were truly alone, in a world of hostile Immortal sociopaths and runaways

At this point, I have to say thank you Sejong, because without his UA, I would not have gotten artillery and bombers in time to matter... and not only that, but getting the early key techs to wonderspam as much as I did. I would certainly have to sign a lot more RAs, and thus grow my cities a lot more

Not only that, but he was the only true friend I had left. He didn't want to trade lux or even cities for gold, and he would keep declaring peace and not fight as hard as he would left alone, but I would just consider him a friend because he was constantly genuinely Friendly

Thank you Sejong

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He had a superior Luftwaffe. Like, real Bombers.

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Then we finally took and razed San Francisco... then this happened

Just as planned

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(I guess given choice of language and hostility, and the fact that Space Race or Diplomacy is out, its good ole Autocracy... but we'll see)

 

[smallfish]

I have a theory... this is an abnormal game, to misquote something someone once told me, "nobody plays this far and get the things you do in a normal game." Therefore, the AI feels abnormal. They know a human player playing at this level isn't supposed to get this far at the same time without doing certain things, and thus the only viable option left to them is a worldwide conflagration

The Chinese, like the Austrians in an old emperor game of Ethiopia, did not really understand how to conduct naval invasions on cities from the other side.

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So this semi-Phony war did not affect me much, plus I had significant forces in the vicinity anyways.

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Why semi? Because they would actually land stuff for my bored garrisons to shoot at

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Anyways this brings me to the next part of my plan - Polynesia

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Just as I positioned my forces along his coastal border, what I predicted came true. Perhaps it was the mystical ability of the Sands of Time to foresee what would come, but whatever the cause, it was a great boon

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The Polynesian DOW was the best thing ever - they literally had no navy this side of the ocean, whereas I had a Battleship

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But Cathy was busy with... HOWISWHATWHATWHATWHAT

YOU WILL DIE, SO BADLY

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The pinprick raids were being held off by my lone ironclad. Seems that the Phony War could have been more serious if she had actually brought in some siege units... but oh well

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We just kinda took Honolulu... not because of artillery and 1 Battleship... but because we unlocked Electronics and upgraded most of our +1 Bombardment 3 frigates into the king of the seas

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Why Hawaii was worth taking

At this point, I would like to thank MadDjinn for showing with his LP the utility of the "siege" promotion for Artillery and the fact that GW Bombers can still thrash Atomic cities. I would also still like to get him onboard as Deity coach, so have a nice picture of my fleet 'ere!

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Meanwhile, the Romans really went down the tech tree

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More news from the Phony War - they tried in their latest attempt to escort a unit or two, but then discovered the power of Ironclads vs wooden ships and of course, our Bombers

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Speaking of Bombers, another funny picture of a fresh one straight from the Brandenburg workshops of Mecca

(I should really buy a factory)

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Remember when I said I would renew a certain war?

Yeah, that's right.

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Strategic considerations and the threat of a near-future "surprise" DOW forced my hand... and I just love seeing his reaction whenever I declare on him

On the other hand... maybe not

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If I had no Bombers, that city would have been toast. But I shifted my stack from the American East to Ravenna, and so his artillery died... and then I realized I had leftover frigates hanging around Ravenna

And I just wanted my very own personal ally

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So the Chinese got extremely serious, and compelled (basically: controlled) all of her lackey CS's naval forces into my home waters, to hunt down that lone ironclad that was giving her so much headaches

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Our long awaited entrance into the Art Deco age

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We made peace with Augustus, at my behest, after kicking the Romans out of our continent

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The first of our many, many, many carrier groups

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TO BE CONTINUED

 

[Heerlo]

Are you going after Russia?Or China, maybe?

Yeah, it would be nice to get this expansion.I'm just not sure if I want to spend the money on it right now.

 

[smallfish]

Definitely Russia. They are in the Information Era, they have completed the SS Cockpit... and the only surprising thing is that she hasn't bother with Manhattan. Yet.

So I had everything from Roman conquest, plus my fleet of city-killers and aircrafts loaded, head all the way up north

We had a slight detour

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Then it got conquered really fast, and I upgraded my embarked artilleries in the waters

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Set off to the northwest, the tip of the Russian peninsula. Nothing in sight

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Only problem was that we were in a Sejong Peace, so I just waited

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Meanwhile he showed as friendly after we entered Atomic, and now he reveals his true colors. Thankfully he has very little cities (and thus, units) to threaten us with

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Well too bad, why did you declare war on me and become tech leader in first place?

In any case, I didn't want to head straight up to Moscow for fear of submarine wolfpacks (or stealth bombers). I will do this nice and easy with a heel push upwards, backed by powerful naval units and aircrafts

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Say hello to davy jones, Lancer (it was escorting a Great Merchant)

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We took Orenburg, but turns out she had some garrisons coming in

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I had a Fighter airsweep that SAM tile, but then when I tried attacking the SAM...

(that Bomber was a Siege II + Logistics/Air Heal full health, based in Warsaw)

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Why did this happen, MadDjinn??!