Funky happiness stuff going on with puppets

[Strategist83]

This must be caused by the new patch and I don't think there's been discussion on it yet.

Case: I'm at 31 happiness. To test, I annex a Borsippa, size 9. I jump to 26 happiness. I immediately rushbuy a Courthouse and whoosh! - back up to 34 happy, not 31 as expected.

I was NOT running Police State!

Has anybody found the same and know what is causing it? Maybe certain bonuses for policies don't kick in on puppets (such as University/Public School happy bonus)?

 

[Furycrab]

There's a penalty for having a puppet, Annexing gives you a slightly greater penalty but once you get the Courthouse the entire penalty is gone. If you have police state you get on top of that an extra 3 happy.

I've yet to play a game where I'm going for an aggressive victory path and where my social policies actually matter once I get police state... I seriously would love if they rebalanced Autocracy/Order to be in line with freedom and made all 3 of them of the same era but that's another discussion.

 

[vexing]

it's not puppets that are bugged, it's courthouses. they eliminate the normal per city penalty, which is 3 unhappiness or 6 for india - india with annexed cities gives insane happiness.

 

[Strategist83]

Wow, that's incredible - introducing such a massive bug in a this late patch. Firaxis truly can't do anything right.

I noticed another bug as well with a city where the yields from the base city tile got ignored, forcing the city to stay size one when it should be able to grow just fine.

 

[vexing]

Wow, that's incredible - introducing such a massive bug in a this late patch. Firaxis truly can't do anything right.

it's been around quite a while actually.

 

[sebasm]

Still, annexed cities must offer some sort of advantage to puppets, no? Might as well be happiness.

 

[vexing]

Still, annexed cities must offer some sort of advantage to puppets, no? Might as well be happiness.

how about controlled production?

 

[The_Quasar]

I was playing about with this the other day, and found that this small bonus only occurs for the turn that the city is annexed... it loses the extra 3 happiness the following turn. I tested it on several cities, individually, and annexing 2, 3 and 4 together... it is consistent, you get an extra 3 the turn the city or cities are annexed, and you lose it the turn after.

This is therefore not a bug, but, it seems, a bonus 3 happiness for the annexing turn ONLY.

 

[Strategist83]

it's been around quite a while actually.

Oh right, I actually remember that thread. Thanks for the information. Boggles my mind why I only noticed now - it's such an obvious bug that should definitely have been caught by the testers.

I'm actually glad to see this isn't a new bug because this current patch has introduced plenty as is. It does make fixing it even more urgent, though.

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Quasar, that's interesting. I'll load up a save from the game I was playing and see if it was the case there as well. There seemed to be all sorts of weird stuff going on in that game.

 

[Strategist83]

I'm unable to reproduce Quasar's results. The happiness bonus is indeed permanent for me. Have you tried testing this in a different session, Quasar?

 

[starrywisdom]

Oh right, I actually remember that thread. Thanks for the information. Boggles my mind why I only noticed now - it's such an obvious bug that should definitely have been caught by the testers.

Having spent almost 10 years in QAA nothing is 'obvious' - especially since most QA 'sessions' are directly towards specific things. QA is a very long and tedious process, and I definitely see why it was missed - especially in a game with so many 'variabes'.