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[img=right]http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/170/hofgauntlet.jpg[/img]While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we like to run time-definite competitions between updates that we call Gauntlets. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings will be counted towards the Gauntlet.

(*) Please read the >> HOF rules << BEFORE playing!

Settings:
  • Victory Condition: Science (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
  • Difficulty: Deity
  • Map Size: Standard
  • Map Type: Pangaea
  • Speed: Epic
  • Leader: Siam (Ramkhamhaeng)
  • Opponents: Any
  • Version: SV7 (1.0.1.332)
  • Date: 1st October to 1st November 2011
The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreake
 
While I'd prefer standard speed, this should be very interesting. This is easily the most fun civ to bring to the table for a gauntlet, research-based competition.
 
Where can i download the starting save?
Or should i just start a new game with these options?
 
388 Turn (1756) win with 3 cities. I doubt that this will be anywhere near the winner, but it is the first time I've won deity without archipelago/tiny island cheesing it.

My entire military for the game consisted of 1 archer, but only got DOW'd by Egypt who was already at war with the rest of the world and didn't send much my way. Was at war with them pretty much the entire game, but hilariously they sued for peace the turn before I won.

Think I'll probably give this another shot now that I have a better idea how things work at deity.
 
So i wanted to try this one out. I worked my way up to 5 cities, probably too slowly to be worthwhile... Eventually Rome declared war on me but I never saw one unit from him. He was too busy with america and india. Finally, at around turn 300 hiawatha declared war on me for no reason. We were friendly the whole game. Seeing as i was in 2nd to last place on score with no more than 5 military, while he had cannons and infantry on my doorstep... I decided to quit.

Not sure how you guys can play on deity with games like this. I find it infernally frustrating. Guess I'll go back to the minor gauntlet for now :(
 
Took my shoot at the Gauntlet for the first time.. first time deity, epic and Siam too!

No rerolls, first map = first go. The starting location was rather decent, marble, diamonds, wheat and fishes, with (double) cotton looming to the north. Except all plains and just a short river, decided to settle on the west coast.
It went nicely, had three tall, coastal cities in good spots (spare luxuries to trade around) that were also choke points into my domain, with beastly Gandhi beyond mountains to the east and Germany to the north; two regular CS allies, one friend.
One peculiarity at start was when I paid 500g around turn 34 for alliance with Genoa that had whales my cities desired - triple checked the amount before paying and it said 60 influence, great! But after purchase only got 59/60. Trolled me good! Sold the cotton couple turns later and paid the rest of missing influence for growth bonus.

Haven't bothered with any wonders except for Notre Dame - AI completed on the same turn as me, but obviously didn't get it. No problem, was still 10 happiness ahead, I just hoped it'd free up some luxuries for trade and RAs.
Been friends with pretty much everyone on the map, at one point Germany asked me to join war against much larger Egypt that was on the other side of his borders, so I politely asked for 10 turns rather than pissing on our relationship. Meanwhile God-Emperor Gandhi with his 11-something cities declared on Germany and soon my lands swarmed with rushing catapults and elephants. I thought Germany's done for, so when the time came to "kick it off" I picked "changed my mind" middle finger option..

Bismarck was not too pleased, which eventually has led to a war around turn 190 that lasted til 203. Gandhi's horde stopped at one, smallest city of Germany, swarming in awe around double cattle.. completly ignoring Bismarck's troops marching south at me.
Third city settled on choke of coast and pure hills, allowed me to butcher 6 of his landsknechts that tried to come across the water while his catapults camped on hills. Two veteran archers and two pikemen held their ground against entire German army and almost won. His last melee was down to two hp, 1/3 on my city def, one archer and two pikemen of mine still alive, about to down that knecht and another catapult.. and bam! My city has been conquered by said half-dead landsknecht and remaining pikemen ended being pushed into a corner, sandwiched between German army and couple trolling indian elpehants.

With my remaining forces gone, I've whimpered GG and went to bed. Time for a take two :S

~D~
 
The big question I have here is whether it's worth popping legalism when you have get education versus going down rationalism first with cheaper SP costs. I'm under the assumption that tradition -> liberty tree -> legalism when education hits should be ideal since it can get up universities faster.

Having to build a library, monument and temple in all the cities by education was relatively annoying as well given I need to build a military to defend the early DoWs and only got universities in the first two cities as my third city just didn't have enough hammers to build the prereqs..

I think I find diety frustration mostly due to the next turn processing time as there are a million units owned by the warring civs that makes me sit around for 30 seconds. I probably should just get a better computer.
 
The big question I have here is whether it's worth popping legalism when you have get education versus going down rationalism first with cheaper SP costs.

i have a hard time foreseeing a situation where you wouldn't want to abuse legalism. getting 4 cities in a position to do that at the perfect time is going to be tough unless you end up with some crazy ideal dirt.
 
Seems to me that we'll just have to do without at least two of the Liberty policies for most of the game.

I think I find diety frustration mostly due to the next turn processing time as there are a million units owned by the warring civs that makes me sit around for 30 seconds. I probably should just get a better computer.

It turns out that this is an output issue rather than a processing issue. Apparently the code must run the display algorithms every time every unit moves, then check to see what the player can actually observe (rather than the more sensible reverse). This means that there is a simple workaround. Just flip the game into Strategic View before hitting "End Turn", and you won't get the annoying delay between turns. Then you can switch back to the default view if you want.
 
WOW... just wow. Deity is crazy. On turn 41 thanks to Japan... I was eliminated.

This is me now picking my enemies instead of letting it be random...
 
WOW... just wow. Deity is crazy. On turn 41 thanks to Japan... I was eliminated.

This is me now picking my enemies instead of letting it be random...
I have to pick my enemies every single time, else there's high risk of playing against banned DLC civ :S
Is there a way around it?
 
temporarily move your dlc folders; note that if you have the ancient wonders dlc you have to do this. it's been discussed other places so if you need more info you can search.
 
Trying this gauntlet for fun and to learn, i managed to get the GL in both 2 starts i made. First time i got owned by the biggest army in Harun. Second time i bulbed IW with but couldn't get swords in time. France and Persia were very close each other, but they decided to gang bang me anyway...

Spoiler :
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Do you think it's a good idea to start with the GL? Does it increase DoW probabilities?
 
The GL will increase DoW probabilities with any neighbor that wanted to build it. Since that has a way of being rather a lot of them on Deity, it's a significant risk.

However, since the winning game will almost certainly be a hyper-isolated corner start, choosing to build the Great Library shouldn't be a big deal. The real question is whether or not it's worth delaying horizontal expansion to build the thing. Getting four cities with the necessary infrastructure by the time Education and the fifth or sixth policy land will not be a trivial problem.

You'd have to reroll quite a bit to get an isolated start with enough :c5production: and a Medieval tech with the GL, so I'm not entirely sure it's worth building. The way I see it, popping a pair of ruins techs is usually as good as or better than the GL on Deity, and that's not out of the question in an isolated corner.
 
I found a nice place to settle(settled on gold, 2 more around and a silver), in a corner with some mountains blocking the way almost everywhere. Got GL around turn 50 and i expanded to 4 cities. China DoWed me but i managed to capture one city with only 3 swords.

I tried to hard build ND but without success. I took legalism only 15 turns after i discovered Education(had to pick a policy 2 turns before the tech) but i will get rationalism on turn 176 and a wave of 5 RAs of less than 8 turns of length begins(1 more 15 turns later) at turn 177 :whew:

I'm not used at Deity and i don't know benchmarks very well. Do you think this game is winnable? I'm not too far away in techs at least.

Spoiler :
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Spoiler :
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I won at deity before, but only before this patch and with cooked settings.
 
That probably isn't the winning time, but you're going to win the game at that pace. That's more or less the start you're looking for - in a corner where you are either behind a city-state screen (as you are), highly distant or both.

The things that will slow you down are that you didn't hit Education and Legalism simultaneously and haven't hoarded enough cash for late game RAs.
 
Finally won at turn 324, only China cancelled a RA at 1 turn before completion somewhere around turn 250. Suleiman stayed at 1 city for half the time on a single island tile after being bullied, giving me an extra RA for safe completion of particle physics. Washington almost died too with also 1 city left.

Losing 1 or 2 more RA partners would have been catastrophic.
 
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