G-Minor XLV

[vexing]

arabia's main advantage is lack of continuous rerolls. so much for that, as this was my 4th or 5th roll with spain =0 other civs + rerolls will beat them. if i do screw up this spain, siam my siam should take it.

 

[vexing]

i ended up finding 3 settler ruins and i bought one settler,
settled GBR turn 7,
i settled mt kalish? (6 faith - the worst of the bunch) around turn 20 to set up a religion - +8 faith from nws, settled the next city near 3 sugars, bought a settler there to settle old faithful / 2 luxuries/river. i actually found a 4th settler ruin late, but not near any nws so i never settled it.
in addition to my settled cities i captured rome pretty early (which was between some of my cities), then kyoto after having built hermitage/ironworks/oxford, and then a mercantile CS near my capital that had barringer crater in its borders.

my capital built scout, scout, granary, pyramids, petra, chichen itza, hanging gardens
barcelona built scout, library, temple of artemis, NC
for policies, i got the culture ruin turn 4 or so? and took tradition, turn 6 i took legalism, then growth, then wonders, then finished tradition, then took liberty, worker, representation (12.5% reduction in costs with 5 cities). i finished chichen itza the turn or turn before i took representation.
then i went through all of piety, opened patronage, then did all of freedom =0

for religion i took the +% production bonus for each citizen and world church (culture for each foreigner worshiping), then enhanced for cathedrals and -25% prophet cost, next bought cathedral in capital, then missionary, 2 more cathedrals, got a great prophet (settled), built the great mosque and bought missionary and 2 more cathedrals, 2 more gps and another missionary prior to hitting industrial.

i used the GL to bulb architecture, and oxford to bulb archaeology, and porcelain tower's scientist to bulb radio =)

 

[Xger]

for religion i took the +% production bonus for each citizen and world church (culture for each foreigner worshiping), then enhanced for cathedrals and -25% prophet cost, next bought cathedral in capital, then missionary, 2 more cathedrals, got a great prophet (settled), built the great mosque and bought missionary and 2 more cathedrals, 2 more gps and another missionary prior to hitting industrial.

Is world church even worth it? On settler all the other cities are sooo low in pop that it seems unlikely to garner even 15 cpt.

 

[vexing]

Is world church even worth it? On settler all the other cities are sooo low in pop that it seems unlikely to garner even 15 cpt.

it was about 20cpt at the end. i didn't put high priority on active conversion.
is there a better alternative?

 

[FeiLing]

I've always been taking Tithe and even then most of the time I didn't have enough cash to rush buy key structures in all cities immediately when they've been researched.

I tried World Church once but it was underwhelming (about 15 cpt at the end! of the game)... I actually believe it doesn't even work for CSs, only other civs cities (if that is true the number of cities/citizens you can potentially get is pretty much halved for that difficulty).

 

[Xger]

I've also used tithe if only for the ease of cash flow, rushing buying and bribing CS'es

 

[HideInLight]

I'm trying Napo in Vanilla. Not sure about t240 though...I think Vanilla could compete if one of the top players made the effort. I'm average in Civ5 and can see 250-260 with the right map.

cas

Just did T-260 in Vanilla with Siam after like 3-4 tries. And it was a pretty solid game, first one where I actually got to Sydney Opera House in time. Sure I can still improve it a bit, for example I should have prebuilt SoH, which would have shaved off some 4-6 turns but I dont see how I could do it in under 250 turns. It simply takes too long to tech to Mass Media while going for max culture all the time :/

Too bad so few people try this in Vanilla, I am really curious if someone could get something like T-240.

 

[pholtz]

C) Architecture --> Printing Press --> Archaeology

Finished, with a poor score compared to all of you, turn 336, 1580AD. Egypt. Actually it's about 300 years better than my previous best so I'm improving.

I did the tech path in the quote. It seemed to take forever to get to Industrial and that seems important so you can do the Freedom Tree. Any way, thats one mistake.

Another is accidentally finishing Oxford .

Another is not having any settlers from ruins, and not rerolling. I don't like to keep rerolling.

Another is having only two cities. Well, I did take a few puppets because of a religious war, but they weren't worth anything. It was fun to look at the map and see EVERY city following my religion.

At least I got a new leader and map type done.

 

[vexing]

Another is not having any settlers from ruins, and not rerolling. I don't like to keep rerolling.

Another is having only two cities.

unfortunately, rerolling is absolutely mandatory for a faster cultural victory. settler difficulty exasperates that with settler ruins, and spain even more so if you choose that route. i'm hoping my slaughtering with spain this gauntlet will be enough to change future "any" leader gauntlets to "any except spain."

i got 253 with my first arabia two city attempt. two cities would work better on a higher difficulty. on settler the policies come too quickly to get to industrial in a reasonable time with just two cities, and the happiness bonuses remove most of the downsides of settling more cities.

 

[Zejinx]

unfortunately, rerolling is absolutely mandatory for a faster cultural victory. settler difficulty exasperates that with settler ruins, and spain even more so if you choose that route. i'm hoping my slaughtering with spain this gauntlet will be enough to change future "any" leader gauntlets to "any except spain."

i got 253 with my first arabia two city attempt. two cities would work better on a higher difficulty. on settler the policies come too quickly to get to industrial in a reasonable time with just two cities, and the happiness bonuses remove most of the downsides of settling more cities.

Proposing the change to "any except Spain" will be a good change

 

[sanabas]

Instead of having 'one civ' or 'any civ' as the only options, just add 'these 5 civs' as one of the options. So for a gauntlet like this, leave out spain & france, and say it's siam/korea/babylon/songhai/sweden, for example. Or 'any except spain & france', or whatever other combo springs to mind.

 

[Denniz]

Results:

G-Minor XLV -Culture, Settler, Standard, Inland Sea, Epic, Any Leader [Vanilla or G&K] - 28 Entries!

1st vexing - 580 AD T-212

2nd FeiLing - 835 AD T-229

3rd ssjos - 950 AD T-240

Congratulations!

 

[Denniz]

Instead of having 'one civ' or 'any civ' as the only options, just add 'these 5 civs' as one of the options. So for a gauntlet like this, leave out spain & france, and say it's siam/korea/babylon/songhai/sweden, for example. Or 'any except spain & france', or whatever other combo springs to mind.

Yeah, I have a problem when it comes to mixed guantlets. Using Any Leader is the only option I have other than specific leaders. I will have to work out something.

It is no fun if you have to play Spain. For now I will make Spain a required opponent.

 

[FeiLing]

Might wanna fix the link (id 70 instead of 69):
http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ5/gauntlet.php?show=minor&gauntlet=70

Complete list of all entries (42 entries from apparently 28 players):
http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ5/adhoc_query.php?show=summ&condition[]=3&difficulty[]=1&speed[]=3&mapSize[]=4&maptype=7&leader=-1&pubID=47&dtSc=0&exp=1&submit=Go

My entries:

Korea T229 (http://imgur.com/a/ljCO0 - 4 cities, Liberty GE was used for Louvre)
France T234 (http://imgur.com/a/j4DfJ - 5 cities, Liberty GE was used for Petra)
Siam T240 (6 cities - Liberty GE was used for Petra - I wonder what would have been possible if there was more than only a single cultural CS...)
Inca T253 (pretty good map roll, not the best civ for this though)
Spain T281 (was just a single attempt with a suboptimal map)

Seems like I totally underestimated the value of Science before I started playing on this more. And I've also forgotten about Sejongs traits; thought he had only his little science boosts after science buildings are completed in the capital. The +2 science per gp tile though are cool (a shame freedom finisher doesn't double it^^) AND the +2 science from every specialist are crazy good here. The map wasn't all that great (capital would have been better one to the east and I only got 1 settler ruin) and I had to take Acoustics instead of Architecture with the GL since one of the AIs was building it (they never did that in the other games -.-). Still T229 Victory.

 

[HideInLight]

Solid score's, gj everyone!

Too bad no one but me submitted a vanilla game, would like to compare :/

 

[Peets]

Solid score's, gj everyone!

Too bad no one but me submitted a vanilla game, would like to compare :/

I'm afraid that vanilla will always be low now.

 

[vexing]

Korea, Babylon - not too sure. Definitely not the potential the above one's have.

=p

Korea T229
France T234
Siam T240
Inca T253

pretty impressive showings. i only played/submitted a few games: 253 arabia (2 cities - definitely not enough science), 235 siam using legalism for wats (which could be improved) and then my ridiculous spain run.

I'm afraid that vanilla will always be low now.

in terms of winning gauntlets, it will mostly go:
culture: g+k
science: vanilla
diplomacy: vanilla but g+k close
domination: depends on other settings

 

[Humdinger]

reading this thread makes me sad

 

[Tabarnak]

Great job guys! Did you get that finish with your insane Spain start vexing? Noticed the great score(over 10000?) from Feiling as well.

 

[Peets]

in terms of winning gauntlets, it will mostly go:
culture: g+k
science: vanilla
diplomacy: vanilla but g+k close
domination: depends on other settings

I meant participation
Though, now I changed my opinion into depending the settings.