Galley uses ocean (border) tiles
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DaviddesJ
Deity
All ships can enter any ocean space that's within a cultural boundary.
MrCynical
Deity
The AI does have to have an open borders agreement with you to sail ships within your cultural borders, so if you terminate this then they won't be able to reach you.
As already pointed out this is how it is supposed to work, as any ship can enter ocean squares within your cultural borders or the borders of a civ which you have an open borders agreement with.
As already pointed out this is how it is supposed to work, as any ship can enter ocean squares within your cultural borders or the borders of a civ which you have an open borders agreement with.
DaviddesJ
Deity
MrCynical said:
I don't think that's true. They can enter your controlled ocean spaces if they are at war with you, just as any civilization can enter controlled spaces of another civ that they are at war with. Nothing special about ships.
MrCynical
Deity
I know that they could get in if they declare war. I'm just pointing out that if you cancel open borders, without declaring war then they won't be able to enter your territory. Therefore you'll be fairly safe from them trying to settle your territory.
Zanmato
King
MrCynical said:
A Galley can use an ocean square??? Mine never can even within my own borders. I thought Galleys could only travel in coastal squares, not Ocean squares.
oagersnap
Emperor
Zanmato said:
Galleys can travel through ocean squares if it's inside your own territory or the territory of a player you have open borders with.
DaviddesJ
Deity
Zanmato said:
Maybe you should try it, before claiming they can't?
DaviddesJ
Deity
stanmons said:
Can you post the save here?
(Are you sure it's not a Caravel?)
Sound+Vision
Chieftain
MrCynical said:
I'm pretty sure a galley cannot enter an ocean square in the territory of a civilization it's at war with.
ZippyRiver
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stanmons said:
A barbarian perhaps.
MrCynical
Deity
That is actually a fair point, I've never actually tested if a galley can enter an ocean square in the cultural borders of a civ it's at war at. If not then cancelling open borders is an even more effective solution.
Zanmato
King
DaviddesJ said:
I have, and it won't enter an ocean square regardless of where it is or inside borders. The manual clearly states 'Galley - Cargo Space 2, cannot enter ocean squares'. Makes Caravels useless because they only have one cargo space and are more expensive to build. Could make a small fleet, send an small army with open borders and then declare war once landed. Yes, your units will be ejected but still could be vastly closer than they would have been.
Clearly, it's a exploit for both yourself and the AI and needs fixing imho.
MrCynical
Deity
Galleys and work boats are supposed to be to be able to enter ocean squares within your own cultural borders, and this is clearly stated in game. If the manual says otherwise then it is wrong, as it is on a number of other matters. If it wasn't possible it would be impossible to build improvements on oil and whales since the work boats could never enter the ocean tile. If for some reason you can't get a galley into ocean squares within your own border you have a bug.
You can't move an army with caravels, by the way, since they can't carry military units.
You can't move an army with caravels, by the way, since they can't carry military units.
Zanmato
King
Strange, I will have to test some more. According to the manual, Work Boats, Galleys and Ironclads cannot enter ocean squares under any situation. I can say 99% sure that the Ironclad won't enter ocean within my own borders although I will now double check this. I don't think I've seen a special resource in a ocean square. If you have saved game where is isn't the case, please post one or a screenshot will do nicely. I forgot Caravels can't carry military units, makes Galleys all the more better. 
Just looking at the XML for the Galley entry,
<TerrainImpassable>
<TerrainType>TERRAIN_OCEAN</TerrainType>
<bTerrainImpassable>1</bTerrainImpassable>
</TerrainImpassable>
I believe this means Ocean square are impassable to it but please do correct me if this isn't the case.
EDIT: Just checked XML entry for Work Boats and is the same as Galley. Oil can appear in Ocean squares according to it's XML entry.
Just looking at the XML for the Galley entry,
<TerrainImpassable>
<TerrainType>TERRAIN_OCEAN</TerrainType>
<bTerrainImpassable>1</bTerrainImpassable>
</TerrainImpassable>
I believe this means Ocean square are impassable to it but please do correct me if this isn't the case.
EDIT: Just checked XML entry for Work Boats and is the same as Galley. Oil can appear in Ocean squares according to it's XML entry.
oagersnap
Emperor
DaviddesJ
Deity
Zanmato said:
When three different people tell you that this isn't how it works, maybe you should believe them instead of what you read in the manual.
Zanmato said:
Didn't we correct you several times already? This post will do so again, but, will you believe us this time?
DaviddesJ
Deity
Zanmato said:
Yes, you can use galleys to cross short stretches of ocean, sometimes. This is usually called a "cultural bridge", in these forums.
But most oceans can't be crossed in this way, because they are too wide to extend your cultural influence all the way to the other side of the ocean.
Zanmato
King
Fine, ok. I believe you but I don't agree with it that's all. The fact that both you and the AI can do it makes it acceptable though. But my own feelings on it are if a unit isn't allowed to use ocean squares it shouldn't regardless of culture borders.
