GDC Wrapup of Sid Meier's Keynote

[AlpsStranger]

SM is smart, noone argues that. but for what he will use his smart mind is the issue. we expect a good civ5 game from him.
if he wants to be very rich, he can use his mind in making the game a best-seller.
or if he wants to remain an example of quality (and real creativity) in games, he can use his mind in that way and continue as he did until today.
that's the case.

it is the game's depth and fans loyality which had brought it today. you need very solid positive sides to make a 5th series of a saga (plus smac etc.)

see below comparisons and you will understand what i mean.
* civ saga has many more features and dynamics than real time strategy games.
* civ saga requires micromanagement, only guys above an IQ level likes it.
* RTS games are more famous and popular. because everybody can play it, everybody can like it.
* everybody has heard "age of empires" but most gamers never even heard the civ game.
* RTS games don't have loyal fans, civ saga has.
* addiction to RTS games passes fastly while civ games can be played many years.
* RTS is like pop&rap while civ saga is like rock,jazz,blues,classical music

etc etc

so we like the civ saga as it is and want it to remain special.

This is nothing more than a long insult posted as an opinion. Try telling me that Red Orchestra is for impulsive children or that top 1% Starcraft players are morons. Nice try, but this isn't how it works.

TBS micromanagement is the equivalent of being graded on homework instead of tests. Any moron can do all of his homework; it's your test taking ability that makes you super smart.

 

[kivanc]

i don't know why you guys take it on to yourselves. i never said morons play RTS games, i play them as well. but i'm not a great fan of them as much as civ series. and if u like RTS games more than civ series, i wonder why u write on this thread.

the thread was about the interview. some guys including me commented that they don't want the civ series change its direction and become an EZ game.

there was no such weird comments in my post to be understood as an insult.

 

[AlpsStranger]

i don't know why you guys take it on to yourselves. i never said morons play RTS games, i play them as well. but i'm not a great fan of them as much as civ series. and if u like RTS games more than civ series, i wonder why u write on this thread.

There is no implicit or explicit reason I should not be. The forum does not require that Civilization be my favorite game.

the thread was about the interview. some guys including me commented that they don't want the civ series change its direction and become an EZ game.

You aren't discussing difficulty. What you are discussing is the insufferable "hardcore" mind set. This is typically not even remotely related to difficulty and has a lot more to do with bad UIs masquerading as features.

there was no such weird comments in my post to be understood as an insult.

Right. You were merely implying that other genres were for people with lower IQs. Forgive me for thinking that this was insulting.

 

[kivanc]

Right. You were merely implying that other genres were for people with lower IQs. Forgive me for thinking that this was insulting.

no. just read again.
i have enough experience about how to talk and write in community and i pick my words with attention.
if you just reread, you will see i never said fools play that genre while clevers play that genre. i said that some types are for every gamer and some types are for rather more clever guys. and the guys who don't like many details don't like civilization.

so as i said earlier, i play RTS/FPS as well. i listen to pop as well. these are popular styles in video games and music.
however, i am especially a fan of RPG games, civ saga, city-building games like pharaoh and civcity rome, economic management games like tycoon series, fifa manager series etc. all these styles have more depth than other popular styles.

 

[Aarontu]

SM is smart, noone argues that. but for what he will use his smart mind is the issue. we expect a good civ5 game from him.
if he wants to be very rich, he can use his mind in making the game a best-seller.
or if he wants to remain an example of quality (and real creativity) in games, he can use his mind in that way and continue as he did until today.
that's the case.

it is the game's depth and fans loyality which had brought it today. you need very solid positive sides to make a 5th series of a saga (plus smac etc.)

see below comparisons and you will understand what i mean.
* civ saga has many more features and dynamics than real time strategy games.
* civ saga requires micromanagement, only guys above an IQ level likes it.
* RTS games are more famous and popular. because everybody can play it, everybody can like it.
* everybody has heard "age of empires" but most gamers never even heard the civ game.
* RTS games don't have loyal fans, civ saga has.
* addiction to RTS games passes fastly while civ games can be played many years.
* RTS is like pop&rap while civ saga is like rock,jazz,blues,classical music

etc etc

so we like the civ saga as it is and want it to remain special.

It sounds like you're just not very good at RTS games. CIV has much more strategic depth than any RTS I've seen, but RTS games certainly have much more strategic depth than most other games, including RPGs, which don't actually have much strategy at all, though some do have some interesting tactical aspects.

And I assume you aren't including JRPGs when you say "RPGs", because most JRPGs nowadays are just tween romance stories dressed up as a video game.

 

[kivanc]

It sounds like you're just not very good at RTS games. CIV has much more strategic depth than any RTS I've seen, but RTS games certainly have much more strategic depth than most other games, including RPGs, which don't actually have much strategy at all, though some do have some interesting tactical aspects.

And I assume you aren't including JRPGs when you say "RPGs", because most JRPGs nowadays are just tween romance stories dressed up as a video game.

it seems we're off the topic again. unfortunately, i have accidentally made this one a RTS/civ comparison thread, sorry ginger!

my preferences/skills/style are not the issue here. still, i shall reply your comments.

Spoiler :

i have been playing RTS since 93 maybe. i just started RTS series together with civilization 1 on amiga. i like civ much more than RTS. civilization has much more parameters&options than RTS games, while RTS games are popular mostly because of their live action style, OTOH civ is move-by-move style.

i don't play JRPG.
by RPG, i mean frp video games like IWD, BG, NWN series. RPG doesn't seem so deep if u don't know about AD&D rules.

EDIT: BTW, i just noticed the edited version of post 5. When i first saw, it was not edited. Good comments are there in it, Auncien!

 

[Ymir9]

camarilla, please go play Starcraft or the likes of the Project Reality mod for BF2 before continuing to comment on either RTS or FPS games.

Believe me, you won't regret it.