Global Warming: Scientific Consensus Proved Wrong

[BasketCase]

And when those microorganisms die, they end up where? Unless they are burned--they end up in the ground.

Where the hell do you think coal and oil come from??? In order to form coal and oil, the ingredients for coal and oil--dead plants and animals, respectively--have to be UNDERGROUND, not airborne.

 

[Dr Tiny]

And when those microorganisms die, they end up where? Unless they are burned--they end up in the ground.

Where the hell do you think coal and oil come from??? In order to form coal and oil, the ingredients for coal and oil--dead plants and animals, respectively--have to be UNDERGROUND, not airborne.

I have not claimed otherwise re fossil fuels

 

[Verbose]

And when those microorganisms die, they end up where? Unless they are burned--they end up in the ground.

Where the hell do you think coal and oil come from??? In order to form coal and oil, the ingredients for coal and oil--dead plants and animals, respectively--have to be UNDERGROUND, not airborne.

This is getting confusing. Are you guys actually diagreeing at this point, or is this just about shouting?

Humans are engaged in burning of millions of years of deposits of fossil "fuels", which releases CO2 in massive amounts, increasing the greenhouse-effect.

Compared to that, humans and other organisms breathing is not a problem.

The rate of depositing of carbon, the release of CO2, and the absorption of it by plants have balanced each other out, with fluctiations from time to time, over the history of life. We're looking at a first in the history of life when a lifeform is no longer limited to the energy it is capable of harnessing through its own organism, but is actively digging/drilling up these deposits and burning them to avail itself of all that stored energy, releasing extra CO2, while at the same time having a go at major users of CO2 like the rain forests.

Are we really disagreeing that this might constitute a problem?

 

[Dr Tiny]

This is getting confusing. Are you guys actually diagreeing at this point, or is this just about shouting?

Humans are engaged in burning of millions of years of deposits of fossil "fuels", which releases CO2 in massive amounts, increasing up the greenhouse-effect.

Compared to that, humans and other organisms breathing is not a problem.

The rate of depositing of carbon, the release of CO2, and the absorption of it by plants have balanced each other out, with fluctiations from time to time, over the history of life. We're looking at a first in the history of life when a lifeform is no longer limited to the energy it is capable of harnessing through its own organism, but is actively digging/drilling up these deposits and burning them to avail itself of all that stored energy, releasing extra CO2, while at the same time having a go at major users of CO2 like the rain forests.

Are we really disagreeing that this might constitute a problem?

Thankyou, you have put it far more eloquently than I have so far.

 

[BasketCase]

Mostly it was about shouting--by other people as they keep getting stuff wrong, and by myself as I keep trying to straighten them out.

The core of the problem is this part:

The rate of depositing of carbon, the release of CO2, and the absorption of it by plants have balanced each other out, with fluctiations from time to time, over the history of life.

There have been a lot of problems in this thread with people tallying up the numbers incorrectly. Mostly it's global warming bible thumpers conveniently forgetting to tally numbers that are inconvenient towards their agenda. The real truth is that CO2 is moving back and forth all over the system in lots of ways: respiration between animals and plants, absorption of CO2 into ocean water (or out of it), humans digging coal and oil out of the ground, animals and plants dying and being turned into new deposits of coal and oil, etc etc etc.

For most of the planet's history, the system has balanced itself out. So the current question is: where's the new balance point, and when is the planet going to reach it? No--it's not if. It's when.

The fact that the planet's CO2 levels are only going up about half as fast as they should be, shows that the planet is already working to balance things out. The catch is that nobody knows how the planet is doing it. People have made the guess that it's the oceans acting as a sink, but the key point is we don't know.

On the flip side, this should make it easy for you guys--because it means that BasketCase can't prove anything either.