GOTM 145 spoiler

[Major Advantage]

Well, that was really a perfect site for OCC! I just wanted to have a little look into it while still playing #144, but then it was just totally dragging me in! Until things started to look some kind of terrifying and it was time for a break...

-4000 Chariot from hut, Orléans (since we are playing as Jeanne) founded, begin settler
-3950 begin Alphabet
-3850 start mining wine
-3800 Alph->Burial; pop river hut: None-Archer, sign peace with America
-3650 50g from hut
-3600 empty hut
-3500 Burial->Bronze(33); America has pottery; 50g from hut
-3450 Alliance with America, rb settler
(Babylonians destroy Celts)
-3400 Code of Laws from hut (avoid huts until monarchy from now on)
(America meets Indians and get mapmaking)
-3150 meet Babylonians, peace
-3100 Settler rejoins Orléans
-2950 Bronze->Monarchy(91); pottery from hut, writing from Babylon
-2850 risk another hut and get currency
-2450 Mon.(est.)->Mapmaking, get MM from India, alliance, maps, 50g & myst. from hut
-2400 research trade
-2150 Meet russians, peace, maps
-2000 get seafaring from hut

stats at -2000:
city size 4; techs: 11; units: 1 settler, 5 army; city: Library; TR:0

-1750 Trade->Masonry; get Masonry & 25g from India
-1700 Research Literacy
-1450 Colossus
-1300 trireme sails west with dip
-1150 Lit.->Republic
-1100 Spain demands tribute, denied, war, embassy
-1050 150g from America
-925 rush Market place, alliance with Russia, alliance with Spain

stats at -925:
city size 4; techs: 14; units: 1 settler, 4 army, 1 boat, 1 dip, 2 vans; city: Library, Colossus; TR:0

 

[haleewud]

I played my game almost a month ago. It took me less than a week to complete. I was able to play for most of the day on July 4. I started the game early in the morning and made it thru 1300AD before stopping for the day.

Huts were very good, although the first 3 techs were off-path. The early huts gave me a number of fast units which allowed more hut popping. 27 huts were popped during the segment below, I got 7 units (all NON, 4 fast), 8 tech, 8 money, 3 Barbs and 1 Weeds.
Of course, with all the techs from huts, it made the cost of discoveries continue to increase. I only fully researched 1 tech (the first, Bronze Working) prior to 2000 BC. I also traded for 2 techs and got 8 techs from huts.


-4000 One settler pops the hut (Chariot), the other founds Paris in the expected place.
-3950 Start Bronze Working (10)
-3850 Hut -> Archer (NON)
-3800 Paris builds warrior, Meet Babylonians, Peace
-3750 BW -> Alphabet (22), Hut -> Weeds
-3650 Find Cardiff (undefended, I could have captured it), Peace, Hut -> Horse (NON)
-3600 Paris builds warrior 2, Start Colossus, Hut -> Horse (NON)
-3550 Contact Babylonians, Alliance, Trade BW for Code of Laws, Trade with Celts CoL for Alphabet
-3500 Withdraw Archer from Cardiff, Size 2, Start Currency, Hut -> 50, Hut -> 50, Hut -> Warrior Code (60)
-3450 Meet Americans, Peace
-3400 Meet Indians, Peace, Hut -> 50
-3350 Hut -> Pottery (78)
-3200 Babylonians develop Masonry, Hut -> HBR (91)
-3150 Babylonians get CB from Celts, sign Peace
-3100 Hut -> AT, Reload -> 50
-3050 Hut -> AT, Reload -> Archer (NON)
-3000 Size 3, Hut -> IW (112)

stats at -3000:
pop.: .06M; size: 3; techs: 7, gov: Despotism, gold: 238; trade routes: 0F; cost/turn:0
units: 1 Settler, 2 Warriors, 2 Archers, 2 Horsemen, 1 Chariot
wonders: None


Celts: No Embassy, Peace
Babylonians: No Embassy, Alliance
Spanish: No Contact
Carthaginians: No Contact
Americans: No Embassy, Peace
Indians: No Embassy, Peace

-2900 Hut -> 1 Barb Horse (killed)
-2850 Hut -> Wheel (135), Hut -> 1 Barb Horse (killed)
-2750 Hut -> Legion (NON)
-2700 1 unit withdrawn from Cardiff
-2650 1 unit withdrawn from Delhi
-2600 Babylonians get Map Making from Indians, Peace, Hut -> Writing (150)
-2450 Hut -> AT, reload -> 50
-2400 Hut -> Horse (NON)
-2350 Hut -> 100, Hut -> Literacy (176)
-2300 Babylonians develop Literacy, Size 4, Hut -> Chariot (NON)
-2250 Hut -> Republic (204), 1 turn too late
-2150 Hut -> AT, Reload 50
-2100 Hut -> 1 Barb Horse (killed), REVOLUTION
-2050 Republic established, T/L/S = 0/3/7, Disband 2 warriors and 1 NON Legion, Hut -> 50
-2000 Colossus, 2 Elvis hired

stats at -2000:
pop.: .10M; size: 4; techs: 11, gov: Republic, gold: 547; trade routes: 0F; cost/turn:0
units: 1 Settler, 2 Archers, 2 Horsemen, 1 Chariot
wonders: Colossus


Celts: No Embassy, Peace
Babylonians: No Embassy, Alliance
Spanish: No Contact
Carthaginians: No Contact
Americans: No Embassy, Peace
Indians: No Embassy, Peace

 

[Major Advantage]

July 4

That could be a german holiday as well because of this.
On the subject, nice game of hut-popping! As I mentioned, I didn't want to risk monarchy, if I knew it would take me directly to republic, I would have chosen otherwise.

 

[Inkerman]

I started last week and adopted the hut popping strategy. I would like to say this was a key part of the plan, but that wouldn't be true. It seemed obvious to set the horse off to meet people and it happened to pop a hut, which yielded another horse. And what else can you do with horses except send them off after huts?

Looking now at the starting map I think there are 34 huts on our home continent (including the mandatory fast unit one by the start position.)
And I seem from my notes to have popped 31 of them.

11 technologies
8 units
3 barbs
4 25g
2 50g
3 weeds

The game has thus moved on rather quickly. I currently have almost no capability for research as the tech cost is very large compared to the resources of the city of Hope Springs (est 4000BC.)

 

[Inkerman]

Curious. Something I've never seen before.

Had a destroyer abroad, shelling the enemy coast. Next turn - it's gone. What? Oh, it's back in its home port. How did it do that?

Pity no helpful save files to investigate.

 

[Major Advantage]

Curious. Something I've never seen before.

Had a destroyer abroad, shelling the enemy coast. Next turn - it's gone. What? Oh, it's back in its home port. How did it do that?

Pity no helpful save files to investigate.

Did you just cancel an alliance? After an alliance is canceled, all units closer to your former ally are immediately beamed back to your nearest city.

 

[Inkerman]

Major - thanks for the explanation, you are right. The ally cancelled rather than me and the ship was a long way from them, but it would have been closer to them than to me.

 

[Inkerman]

4000- hut: Horse. Found Hope Springs. Horse heads for southern civs.
Worker on whale, building warrior. Start CB.
3900- Hut (next to Washington): horse (NON). Meet Americans, agree peace.
3850- Hut: weeds. Settler uncovers grapes, which we switch to.
3800- Discover CB -> Alphabet. Complete warrior. Start temple.
Give CB to Americans, get alliance.
3750- Meet Indians(0), give CB, get alliance.
Hut: Mysticism.
3700- Indians give Alphabet for Mysticism. They also have Mapmaking.
Hut: Horse (NON).
3650: Start CoL. Ams discover Alphabet - oops, perhaps should have given it.
Hut: WC. Hut: HBR. Hut: BW. Give BW to Indians.
3600- Hut: Wheel.
3550- Meet Celts, agree peace, give CB. Give HBR to Indians. Give Mys to Americans.
3450- Hut: Chariot (NON).
3400- Babyls(6) meet us - swap CB to get CoL, and BW to get Literacy. Agree peace.
Start on Republic.
Hut: 25g.
3350- Hut: Archers (NON). Hut: Philosophy. .
3300- Discover Republic. Start on Currency.
Hut: Barbs horse (we kill it.)
Rush temple. Revolution.
3250- Build temple. Start Colossus. Become Republic.
Hut: Archers.
Swap Republic to Indians for Mapmaking. Give them Wheel.
Give Republic to Babyls. Give Republic to Americans.
Disband warrior, as taking 1 shield. Leaves city empty.
3100- Hut: Weeds. Hut: 25g.
3050- Ams get Literacy from Celts, and agree peace.

3000- Hut: Masonry.
City Size: 2. Buildings Cost: 1. Republic. Techs: 13. 69g.
1 settler, 2 archers, 3 horse,1 chariot.
Supreme.
Allied with Indians and Americans.

Indians get Pottery from Americans, Americans get Mapmaking from Indians.
2950- Hut: 25g. About to grow - lux to 30%. Move worker to gold.
2900- Size=3. Lux to 40%. Give Philosophy to Indians.
2850- Size=3 now celebrating. Hut: Barbs.
2800- Size=4. Hut: Weeds.
2750- Size=5.
Americans develop Currency.
2700- Size=6. Swap Philosophy to Americans to get Currency. Lux to 50%.
Start on Writing.
2650- Size=7, max. Swap Philosophy to Babylonians to get Writing. Lux to 30%.
Ams get HBR from Indians, Indians get Literacy from Ams.
Start on Trade.
2600- Hut: Horse (NON).
2450- Ams get Wheel from Indians, Indians get Currency from Ams.
2200- Discover Trade -> Construction.
Hut: Iron. Hut: Banking. Reduce Science to get gold.
Give Iron, Trade, Masonry and Banking to Indians.
Give Trade and Masonry to Americans.
2000- Hut: 25g. Hut: 50g.

City Size: 7. Buildings Cost: 1. Republic. Techs: 18. 209g.
1 settler, 2 archers, 4 horse,1 chariot.
Supreme.
Allied with Indians and Americans.

 

[Inkerman]

1850- Hut: Construction. Hut: Chariot.
1800- Build Colossus. Start on Maths.
1750- Size=8 (food growth). Hut: Bridge Building.
Americans develop Seafaring.
1550- Build Marketplace. Hut: Barbs.
1500- Happy city.
Give Mapmaking to Celts, swap maps.
Give Bridgebuilding to Indians, swap maps.
Give Trade to Babyls, swap maps.
Ams start Pyramids.

1450- Build Aqueduct. Size=9. Celebration stops.
Spanish start HG.
Ams abandon Pyramids.
1400- Hut: 50g.
Ams start Pyramids.
1300- Build Colosseum.
1250- Size=10. Give Wheel to Celts.
1200- Size=11.
1150- Size=12.
Babyls start GL.
1100- Spanish nearly done HG.
1050- Build Bank.
Give Construction to Indians.
Madrid builds HG.
1000-

Stats: City Size: 12. Buildings Cost: 11. Republic. Techs: 20. 154g.
1 settler, 2 archers, 4 horse, 2 chariot.
Colossus. Supreme.
Allied with Indians and Americans.

 

[haleewud]

3400- Babyls(6) meet us - swap CB to get CoL, and BW to get Literacy. Agree peace.
Start on Republic.
Hut: 25g.
3350- Hut: Archers (NON). Hut: Philosophy. .
3300- Discover Republic. Start on Currency.
Hut: Barbs horse (we kill it.)
Rush temple. Revolution.
3250- Build temple. Start Colossus. Become Republic.
Hut: Archers.
Swap Republic to Indians for Mapmaking. Give them Wheel.
Give Republic to Babyls. Give Republic to Americans.
Disband warrior, as taking 1 shield. Leaves city empty.

Wow, Philosophy from a hut gives Republic in 3300 BC. I thought I did well to get it in 2250BC. It will be interesting to see how much of an advantage it will really be.

 

[haleewud]

During this phase of the game, I was still exploring but huts were few and far between. Only 3 huts were encountered, 2 yielded Units and 1 gave a Tech.
8 additional techs were acquired during this phase. 1 came from the previously mentioned hut, 5 came from trading with the AIs and 2 were actually discovered.
I also built my first two buildings (library and temple) and delivered 3 caravans at the very end of the phase.

-1950 WLTCD, Trade with Babylonians, Republic for Map Making (221), Give Republic to Celts, Indians and Americans
-1900 Babylonians get Currency from Indians, Trade IW to Indians for Currency (224), Size 5, Put Elvis to work, RB 52sh, Hut -> Legion (NON)
-1850 WLTCD ends, Start Trade
-1800 Withdraw from Delhi, Trade -> Masonry (270), Library built, Hut -> Chariot (NON), Trade HBR to Indians for Masonry (288)
-1750 Start CB, Trade Wheel to Indians for CB (323), RB 10sh+10sh+10sh
-1700 Americans start Pyramids, Babylonians get IW from Indians (306), Van (Hides), start Construction
-1650 RB 10sh+10sh+10sh
-1600 Van (Copper)
-1550 withdraw from Washington
-1500 RB 10sh+10sh
-1450 Van (Hides)
-1350 Withdraw from New York, Now Mighty (was Supreme until this point, Tech Cost is now 357)
-1300 Hut -> Seafaring (378)
-1250 Withdraw 2 units from Washington, Babylonians get Construction from Americans, Trade Trade to Babylonians for Construction (418), get gift of 50
-1200 Van (Hides), Start Mysticism, T/L/S = 2/3/5
-1150 Mysticism -> Philosophy (620), RB 30sh, T/L/S = 0/4/6
-1100 Temple, WLTCD
-1050 Size 6
-1000 Size 7, Hides to Washington 180, Copper to Babylon 184, Hides to Boston (168), RB 9sh+10sh, T/L/s = 7/2/1

stats at -1000:
pop.: .28M; size: 7; techs: 19, gov: Republic, gold: 705; trade routes: 3F; cost/turn:2
units: 1 Settler, 2 Archers, 1 Legion, 3 Horsemen, 3 Chariot, 1 Caravan
wonders: Colossus

Celts: No Embassy, Peace
Babylonians: No Embassy, Alliance
Spanish: No Contact
Carthaginians: No Contact
Americans: No Embassy, Peace
Indians: No Embassy, Peace

 

[Inkerman]

Wow, Philosophy from a hut gives Republic in 3300 BC. I thought I did well to get it in 2250BC. It will be interesting to see how much of an advantage it will really be.

It is certainly a stroke of luck and very helpful in the early game. I am not sure I am the player to fully exploit it though - as I play on I realise I may not have managed the city population as well as I might have done.

975- Complete Dye Caravan.
925- Complete Trireme.
900- Sailing West, meet Spanish, they want 50g, we decline, they declare war.
875- Complete Gold Caravan.
Dye Van to Babylon for 256g.
Give Writing to Indians.
Babyls brag about Monarchy. Good for you.
825- Complete Copper Caravan.
Give Trade to Celts.
Give Construction to Americans.
800- Build Library. Increase science, temporarily.
775- Discover Maths -> Astronomy. Complete Diplomat.
Hut (on island to east): Astronomy.
Gold Van to Cardiff for 366g.
Give Maths, Warrior Code, CoL to Indians.
750- Complete Wool Caravan. Start on University.
Meet Carthags, give Iron, Construction, Wheel, for peace and maps.
725- Complete Settlers. Size=11.
700- Build Food Caravan.
675- Build Food Caravan.
Ams abandon Pyramids.
Ams develop Maths.
650- Build Food Caravan.
Copper Van to Washington for 228g. We are only Mighty.
Give Warrior Code, Republic and Philosophy to Carthags.
625- Discover University -> Medicine. Build Food Caravan.
Ams start Pyramids.
600- Build University.
Spanish, Carthags, Celts, then us in power table.
575- Complete Settlers. Size=10. We are now Strong.
550- Size=11. Complete Food Caravan.
525- Happy city. Complete Food Caravan.
500- Size=12. Complete Food Caravan. We are now Moderate.

Stats: City Size: 12. Buildings Cost: 15. Republic. Techs: 23. 602g.
3 settler, 2 archers, 4 horse, 2 chariot, 1 trireme, 1 dip, 8 vans.
3 routes.
Colossus.
Allied with Indians and Americans.
War with Spanish.

 

[Major Advantage]

It seems like your excessive hut-popping paid off and resulted in a nice advantage compared to my no-more-huts-to-avoid-missing-monarchy-strategy. That made me curious and yesterday I started over with the same strategy for a fast and sloppy-played game. I didn't keep a log but iirc, the huts didn't give me anything directing to republic. I was about to abort until I met the Babylonians in -2650 and they had it all! Republic, Literacy, Laws. Things were great, I had my size-12-city fairly early, played on, even has some 1-turn-advances PURELY BY CITY SCIENCE without any trade income! But at some point I was wondering: Haven't I been further in my orignal game at this time? And I actually was! Don't know if this was the result of basic strategy or careless and bad gameplay in the second attempt though. At least, what I had imy orignal game and didn't have in the second attempt: More alliances (I think I was allied with all other civs) resulting in a lot of gifts, more tech-trade (and more efficient by by-passing feudalism and chivalry), more trades, especially hides (I think our supply runs out with city-growth).
Too bad I don't have a save from my replay between 800 BC and 340 AD, but my original game went on like this:

-900 25g from India, first delivery to Babylon dye(d) 140g
-875 Rep.->Philo
-850 copper(d) to Babylon 140g, revolution
-825 republic
-800 Meet Carths, alliance, 100g gift, embassy with America
-750 Philo->Constr.->Medicine
-650 50g from island5-hut, get Banking from Babylon
-625 Embassy with Babylon
-525 Medicine->Math hides(d) to Delhi 144g, to Babylon(u) 86

stats at -500:
city size 5; techs: 19; gold: 376; units: 1 settler, 3 army, 1 boat, 1 dip, 2 vans; city: Market, Library, Colossus; TR:3


-475 get Math &250g from Spain, 25 from Carth
-400 250 more from Spain
-350 University->Astro
-325 Shakespeare built & celebrations start
-225 150g America, 100 & wheel from Carth
-150 Celebrations stopped at size 12; 200g Russia
-100 Astro->Engin.; gold(d) 432; 100g & IW from Russia
-75 sign alliance with Babylon
-25 Engin->Bridge; University; salt(d) 468

stats at 1AD:
city size 12; techs: 25; gold: 874; city: Market, library, aquaeduct, university; Colossus, Shakespeare

 

[Inkerman]

I agree the strategy of large-scale hut popping may not work out best for our OCC objective in this game. But as hinted earlier it may be I am not the person to fully exploit it! As is often the case I now think I should have been more active giving techs to the others.

My log continues:
475- Complete Food Caravan. 6 vans to Wonder.
Van, Wool(und), to Leptis Parva (size 1), for 352g.
450- Build Copernicus Laboratory.
Hut (offshore island): ToG (after several tries all produced AT).
425- Complete Wool Caravan.
400- Complete Food Caravan.
Ams develop Banking. Carthags start Lighthouse. Babylon builds Pyramids.
375- Discover Medicine -> Engineering. Complete Food Caravan.
Hut(offshore island): Barbs (after several tries all produced AT).
Horse lost to Barbs.
350- Complete Diplomat.
Give Construction to Babyls(5).
Swap University to Americans(3) for Seafaring.
Give Construction to Celts(1).
Give University to Indians(0).
Ams get WC from Indians. Indians get Seafaring from Ams.
325- Complete Diplomat.
300- Complete Food Caravan.
Van, Wool(und), to Babylon (size 7), for 136g.
Establish Embassy with Babyls. 4 cities, 20 techs, 284g. Researching Medicine.
Establish Embassy with Americans. 4 cities, 21 techs, 258g. Researching Astronomy.
275- Complete Gold Caravan.
250- Complete Food Caravan. Pile Vans into Wonder.
Babyls develop Medicine.

225- Build Shakespeare's Theatre.
Discover Engineering -> Sanitation.
Emissary Spanish(4) - they want 150g, we stay at war. They are at war with Babyls.
Sell Colosseum. No luxuries.
Our trireme is sunk by the Spanish. Carthags build Lighthouse.
200- Complete Food Caravan.
Give Bridge Building and University to Carthags.
Sell Temple.
175- Complete Food Caravan.
150- Build City Walls.
Give University to Babyls(6).
Van, Gold, to New York (size 6), for 330g.
125- Discover Sanitation -> Economics. Complete Food Caravan.
100- Build Sewer System.
Washington builds GL.
75- Complete Food Caravan. City gets happy.

Realise I missed a hut - it is now Babylonian Ashur (78,8).

50- Discover Economics -> Invention. Size=13.
25- Build Stock Exchange. Size=14.
1AD - Size=15. Complete Food Caravan.

Stats: City Size: 15. Buildings Cost: 16. Republic. Techs: 29. 453g.
3 settler, 2 archers, 3 horse, 2 chariot, 1 dip, 6 vans.
Colossus, Copernicus, Shakespeare.
We are currently our own key civ.
Allied with Indians and Americans. War with Spanish.

Babyls(6), Spanish(5), Carthags(4), Ams(3), Celts(1), Indians(0).
Babyls have 22 techs, Ams 21.

 

[Inkerman]

I have now finished my game and sent the files.

We have already discussed how the extravagant early hut popping in my game was not converted into a large tech lead. Rather than a lot of detail - you've probably seen enough log for an OCC spaceship game by now - I'll just note some key points and provide stats at the 500, 1000 and 1500 checkpoints.

I have already commented about my not getting the city population to grow in the best way.

I was worried about war with the AI in the later stages, so did not mind some tech diversions with military benefits, and we also built a battleship and Leonardo. The idea of the latter was to take my several mobile units to cavalry and deny it to the AI, as well as for points. The chariots never got upgraded. It may have been better to save the resources, but I remember in GotM135 (an OCC Deity game) having enough to build Magellan for similar military reasons and that being helpful, if ultimately unavailing.

The main thought looking back is that I did not appreciate how much advantage was provided by the particular tailored map.

500
City Size: 21. Buildings Cost: 17. Democracy. Techs: 37. 1622g.
3 engineers, 2 riflemen, 3 horse, 2 chariot, 1 caravel, 2 dip, 9 vans.
Colossus, Copernicus, Shakespeare, Leonardo, Newton.
Allied with Indians and Americans. War with Spanish.

1000
City Size: 22. Buildings Cost: 25. Democracy. Techs: 52. 2194g.
2 engineers, 3 riflemen, 2 chariot, 1 crusader, 3 knights, 1 destroyer, 2 transport, 3 dip, 13 vans.
Colossus, Copernicus, Shakespeare, Leonardo, Bach, Newton, Darwin.
Allied with Babyls and Americans. War with Spanish.

1500
City Size: 24. Buildings Cost: 45. Democracy. Techs: 67. 2927g.
2 engineers, 3 riflemen, 2 chariot, 4 cavalry, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship, 2 transport, 3 spy, 17 vans.
Colossus, Copernicus, Shakespeare, Leonardo, Bach, Newton, Darwin.
Allied with Babyls and Americans. War with Spanish.

 

[Major Advantage]

Rather than a lot of detail - you've probably seen enough log for an OCC spaceship game by now - I'll just note some key points and provide stats at the 500, 1000 and 1500 checkpoints.

I would be interested in seeing the tech path you have chosen and cashed in vans. That shows a little more than just the naked key point stats.

I have already commented about my not getting the city population to grow in the best way.

I was worried about war with the AI in the later stages, so did not mind some tech diversions with military benefits, and we also built a battleship and Leonardo. The idea of the latter was to take my several mobile units to cavalry and deny it to the AI, as well as for points.

I'm not too sure about that. Leonardo only works until automobile and I think superhighways should be a high priority, especially in OCC. So I always try to avoid anything on the feudalism->tactics branch and aim for automobile. Here are my next 560 years:

+20 Bridge->San. hides(d)2*228; Carth 100g
60 San.->Invention
140 Invention->Demo
220 Demo(est.)->chem, get chem from America, 250g from Spain
240 Research gunpowder, salt(d)292, rush temple to keep celebrating, Russia gifts Nav.
260 gunp.->Explos.
320 Expl.->Economics; gold(d)594, get econ. from Babyl
340 missed physics because of key-civ-shift
360 phys.->Steam
420 Steam->Railroad
480 RR->Industry
500 Gift RR to Babylon, ask for gift, get WC
520 Ind.->Corporation
560 Corp.->Grav.

stats at 560 AD:
city size 26; techs: 41; gold: 1795; city: Temple, Market, library, aquaeduct, university, sewer, harbor; Colossus, Copernicus, Shakespeare; TR: 3
units: 1 settler, 1 engineer, 2 ancient army, 1 explorer, 5 vans, 1 trireme

 

[Inkerman]

I think superhighways should be a high priority, especially in OCC. So I always try to avoid anything on the feudalism->tactics branch and aim for automobile.

Yes, another thing that slowed my game. Automobile (for Superhighways) was a rather late 60th tech, after Feudalism, Chivalry, Leadership, Tactics, and Communism and Espionage, to name some other off-path diversions that distracted my scientists. It would only have been 59th, but Monarchy arrived at some point I don't seem to have logged. (Pol, Pot had been bypassed.)

Tactics, as well as boosting conserved military if you have Leonardo, is needed for Machine Tools -> Miniaturization -> Computers but it would indeed have been better to get Automobile first.

Ideally someone else develops Tactics, allowing Feu, Chi and Lea to be bypassed.

Maybe I should have given a load of money to the Spanish to end the war with them, or spent loads on some wonder other than Leonardo to get the amount they were demanding down.

 

[haleewud]

During this phase, growth was slow and pretty much limited to filling the box and waiting.

-975 Van (Gold), WLTCD ends, Philosophy -> Bridge Building -> Medicine (660) Supreme again
-925 Trireme
-900 Size 8, Hut -> Horde of barbarians (This was the 1 square island at 43,31, there is no room for barbs), Hides to Washington 192
-875 Land on Continent 4, meet Carthaginians, Pay 50 Tribute, Peace, Give IW and Construction, exchange Maps
-850 Van (Food)
-800 Diplomat, Medicine -> Math (690)
-750 Van (Food)
-700 Van (Food), meet Spanish, pay 50 tribute, Give Construction and Mysticism, exchange maps, Peace
-650 Van (food), Trade Philosophy to Babylonians for Math (720), get 200 gift
-625 Start Astronomy, RB 8sh, Contact Americans, Alliance and 125 gift, Contact Indians give them Philosophy, Alliance, no gift, Tech cost now 744
-600 Diplomat, Hut -> AT (3 times) then 25
-575 establish Celt embassy
-550 Aqueduct, T/L/S = 8/2/0, hire 1 Einstein
-525 Astronmy -> Banking (775), Size 9, T/L/S = 0/2/8
-500 Van (Food), Hut -> Engineering (806)

stats at -500:
pop.: .45M; size: 9; techs: 25, gov: Republic, gold: 685; trade routes: 3F; cost/turn:4
units: 1 Settler, 2 Archers, 1 Legion, 2 Horsemen, 3 Chariot, 1 Trireme, 1 Diplomat, 6 Caravan
wonders: Colossus


Celts: 3 cities, 166 gold, 11 tech, Republic
Babylonians: No Embassy, Alliance
Spanish: No Embassy, Peace
Carthaginians: No Embassy, Peace
Americans: No Embassy, Alliance
Indians: No Embassy, Alliance


-450 Van (Food), establish Carthaginian Embassy, Gold to Cordoba 485, T/L/S = 8/2/0, hire 1 Einstein
-425 Build Copernicus' Observatory, Banking -> University (810), T/L/S = 0/2/8
-400 Washington builds Pyramids
-375 Carthage builds Lighthouse, Van (Gold)
-325 Van (Salt)
-300 University -> Theory of Gravity (784)
-275 Paris builds University
-250 Now Moderate (tech = 924), Give Math+Republic+Pottery+Seafaring to Spanish (868)
-225 Carthage builds Oracle, Van (Food)
-200 ToG -> Chemistry (928)
-175 Give Philo to Spanish (899), Van (Food)
-150 Size 10, Salt to Madrid for 432, T/L/S = 8/2/0, hire 1 Einstein
-125 Van (Food), Chemistry -> Sanitation (960), Gold to Cordoba for 640, Exchange Maps with Indians, Get 200 from Babylonians, T/L/S = 0/4/6, 2 Einsteins and 1 Tax Man
-100 Spanish destroy Madras (Indian), WLTCD
-75 Harbor, Sanitation -> Invention, Size 11, Now Mighty (tech cost 992), T/L/S = 0/2/8
-50 Van (food), WLTCD ends
-25 Van (Food)
+1 Van (Food), Now Moderate (tech Cost 960)

stats at +1:
pop.: .66M; size: 11; techs: 30, gov: Republic, gold: 1164; trade routes: 3F; cost/turn:8
units: 1 Settler, 2 Archers, 1 Legion, 2 Horsemen, 3 Chariot, 1 Trireme, 6 Caravan
wonders: Colossus, Copernicus

Celts: 4 cities, 216 gold, 14 tech, Republic
Babylonians: No Embassy, Alliance
Spanish: No Embassy
Carthaginians: 9 cities, 448 Gold, 17 tech, Republic, Lighthouse, Oracle
Americans: No Embassy, Alliance, Pyramids
Indians: No Embassy, Alliance

 

[haleewud]

In hindsight, I had a lot of gold and probably should have done a few more rush builds.

But I think we were all pretty similar at 1AD.

Haleewud - Size 11, Techs 30, Gold 1164, Wonders Colussus, Copernicus
Inkerman - Size 15, Techs: 29. Gold 453, Wonders Colossus, Copernicus, Shakespeare.
Major Advantage - Size 12, Techs 25, Gold 874; Wonders Colossus, Shakespeare

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Date Produced Tech achieved Other notables

-4000 None chariot from hut. Paris founded.
-3900 Horseback riding from hut. Awful.
Empty hut.
-3850 Horseback riding -> Babylonian (4) ->
Writing, no tribute.
-3800 Warrior
-3750 Empty hut again!
-3600 Warrior Warrior Code and Wheel from huts. Awful!
-3550 Writing -> Celt -> Bronze, alphabet
Pottery from hut
-3500 Babylonians destroy Celtic civilization
Paris is size 2
Pottery, Wheel -> Babylonian ->
Code of Laws, alliance
-3400 American warrior near Paris
Writing -> American -> Currency, 25g
None chariot from Southern hut.
None Archer from Northern hut.
-3350 Trade from hut!
Horseback riding -> Indian -> Mapmaking
-3300 None archer from hut.
-3200 Seafaring from hut. Empty hut.
-3150 Barbarian horseman from hut.
-3100 Granary Barbarian kills my chariot.
Babylonian -> 25g
-3000 Paris is size 3. Empty hut.
Ceremonial Burial from hut.

Status at -3000
City Size: 3 Government: Despotism Gold: 17 Techs: 13 Trade routes: 0
Structures: Granary
Wonders:
Units: 1 None settler, 2 warriors, 2 None Archers, 1 None Chariot
Goals: Monarchy/Republic, Colossus, Marco, trade routes
Celt: Destroyed by Babylonians
White: No contact
Babylonian: No embassy, Allied with me
Spanish: No contact
American: No embassy, peace
Carthaginian: No contact
Indian: No embassy, peace

-2950 Chose to research Monarchy over Literacy
-2900 Iron working from hut
-2850 Literacy from hut
-2800 Barbarian horse from hut killed by chariot
-2750 Caravan
-2700 Empty hut.
-2650 Barbarian horseman from hut
-2600 Barbarian kills my Archer. Masonry from hut
I have no more units up north
-2550 Paris is size 4.
-2500 Hides to Washington for 72 for first route
Barbarian horseman from hut
-2450 Caravan barbarian horseman kills my warrior
-2400 Construction from hut
-2250 Caravan Finally hut yields gold: 50g
-2150 Hides to Delhi for 80 for second route
-2050 Caravan
-2000 Paris is size 5

Status at -2000
City Size: 5 Government: Despotism Gold: 29 Techs: 17 Trade routes: 2
Structures: Granary
Wonders:
Units: 1 None settler, 1 warrior, 1 None Archer, 1 None Chariot, 2 Caravans
Goals: Monarchy, Colossus, Marco, one more trade route
Celt: Destroyed by Babylonians
Roman: No contact
Babylonian: No embassy, Allied with me
Spanish: No contact
American: No embassy, peace
Carthaginian: No contact
Indian: No embassy, peace

-1950 Caravan Iron Working -> Indian -> 50g
-1850 Caravan Monarchy Monarchy established. T0L4S6
-1800 Warrior Paris celebrates. T2L1S7
Copper to Babylon for 120 for third route
-1650 Library Trade -> Indian -> 25g
Trade, Construction -> American -> 100g
-1600 None elephant from hut
-1500 Marketplace None elephant from hut
-1450 Paris is size 6. T0L3S7
2 barb horse from hut; elephant kills one
-1400 barbarian kills my elephant.
Paris celebrates. T1L2S7
-1350 Bridge Building Warrior disbanded
-1300 Colossus Monarchy -> Babylonian -> Republic, 50g
Republic -> American, Indian
Tech bombed Indians -> 100g
Banking and None horse from huts.
Revolution started.
-1250 Caravan Republic established. T0L2S8
Warrior disbanded. Granary sold.
Two barbarian horsemen from hut
Horseman and elephant kill barbarians
-1100 Temple Seafaring -> Babylonian -> 100g
-1050 Paris celebrates. Gold to Cardiff for 240
-1000 Paris is size 7 and unable to celebrate

Status at -1000
City Size: 7 Government: Republic Gold: 416 Techs: 21 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Temple, Marketplace, Library
Wonders: Colossus
Units: 1 None settler, 1 None Archer, 1 None horseman, 1 None Chariot, 1 None Elephant
Goals: Marco, Aqueduct, celebrating to size 12, Philosophy
Celt: Destroyed by Babylonians
Roman: No contact
Babylonian: No embassy, Allied with me
Spanish: No contact
American: No embassy, peace
Carthaginian: No contact
Indian: No embassy, peace

-0975 Math
-0950 Aqueduct
-0925 Caravan Paris is size 8. T0L3S7
-0900 Paris celebrates.
-0875 Paris is size 9 and again unable to celebrate
T0L2S8
-0850 Caravan
-0825 Caravan 3 barbarian horsemen from hut.
-0800 Barbarians kill my chariot
-0725 Marco Engineering Roman civilization destroyed by Carthage

Iron working, Construction, horseback riding -> Spanish -> peace, Mysticism, maps
Construction, Wheel, Mysticism -> Carthaginian (6) -> peace, maps, no alliance
Horseback riding, Bridge Building, Mysticism -> Russian (0) -> peace, maps

-0700 50g from hut. T2L2S6
-0675 Trireme
-0650 Elephant from hut
-0575 Caravan T0L2S8
-0500 Colosseum Paris celebrates
Republic, … -> Spanish (4) -> alliance, 25g

Status at -500
City Size: 9 Government: Republic Gold: 36 Techs: 24 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Temple, Marketplace, Library, Aqueduct, Colosseum
Wonders: Colossus, Marco
Units: 1 None settler, 1 None Archer, 1 None horseman, 2 Elephants (1 None), 1 Trireme, 1 van
Goals: Celebrating to size 12, Philosophy, Sewer, Copernicus
Celt: Destroyed by Babylonians
Roman: Destroyed by Carthaginians
Russian: 1 cities, 19 techs; war with Babylonians
Babylonian: 3 cities, 20 techs; war with Russians, allied with me
Spanish: 5 cities, 15 techs; war with Carthaginians, allied with me
American: 2 cities, 24 techs;
Carthaginian: 8 cities, 13 techs; war with Spanish
Indian: 2 cities, 22 techs;

-0475 Paris is size 10. T3L2S5
-0450 Philosophy Paris is size 11
University Salt to Madrid for 472
-0425 Caravan Paris is size 12. T0L2S8
Power jumped from moderate to mighty
-0400 50g from hut
-0375 Medicine Power down to Strong
-0350 Writing -> Spanish -> Astronomy
-0325 University Carthaginians build Lighthouse
-0300 3 barbarian horsemen from hut.
Elephant kills one
-0275 Barbarians kill my None elephant
Babylonians build Great Library
Babylonian -> 25g, Spanish -> 50g
-0250 University -> Babylonian -> 50g
University -> Spanish -> 50g
-0225 Spanish start Copernicus
-0200 Sanitation T2L2S6
-0175 Sewer Paris is size 13 and unable to celebrate
-0150 Caravan Spanish take Rome and reach peace
-0125 T8L2S0
-0100 Paris is size 14
-0075 Caravan Paris celebrates
Gold to Leptis Parva for 560
-0050 Theory of Gravity Paris is size 15 and unable to celebrate
T2L2S6
+0001 Caravan updated all maps

Status at +1
City Size: 15 Government: Republic Gold: 1215 Techs: 30 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Temple, Marketplace, Library, Aqueduct, Colosseum, University, Sewer
Wonders: Colossus, Marco
Units: 1 None settler, 1 None Archer, 1 None horseman, 1 Elephant, 1 Trireme, 3 vans
Goals: Copernicus, Shakespeare, Newton
Celt: Destroyed by Babylonians
Roman: Destroyed by Carthaginians
Russian: 1 cities, 21 techs; war with Babylonians
Babylonian: 5 cities, 28 techs; war with Russians, allied with me
Spanish: 7 cities, 25 techs; allied with me
American: 3 cities, 26 techs;
Carthaginian: 7 cities, 20 techs;
Indian: 2 cities, 25 techs;