Great General?

[xienwolf]

Well, over time your percent chance will change as you accumulate more points from that category.

I know I saw someone somewhere break it down saying that it counted the SOURCES you have to calculate the chances, but it just isn't true. Run 3 priests for 5 turns, you will have 100% chance of Prophet. Now change them to 3 engineers for 5 turns and you will have 50% chance of each. Run the engineers for another 5 turns and it will be 66% Engineer, 33% Prophet.

Raw number of points in your pool determines percent chance.

 

[Calavente]

xienwolf :
it counts the number of sources to give the % chance :

2 sage + catacomb librarius (2gpp sage) * 5 turns : 100 (15 sources out of 15)
then 3 engineer * 5 turns : 50% each : 15 source eng, 15 source sage for a total of 30 different sources...
if your sources are 3gpp worth (specialists) or 1-2gpp they count the same toward the percentage of obtention (1 per turn)

 

[Grillick]

I think that must be right, because having 1 GPP/turn from a National Epic gives me a Great Commander chance way out of proportion to the point value.

 

[Calavente]

I just cannot remember exactly how it works in detail :

does 3 sage source 5t then 3 eng 5 turn gives the same percentage as 1sage 5t then 3 eng 5turn...

depending on mechanismes you would have :
50% each for 1st case.

but second case may be :
_75% eng, 25% sage (5*3 sources total eng, 5*1 source total sage)
_50% each : (5 turn at 100% sage, 5 turn at 100 eng)

I can't remember, and can't test it right now (and it IS independant of gpp value)

 

[xienwolf]

(2 Sage + Catacomb) x 5 = 40 GPP Scientist
(3 Engineer + Catacomb) x 5 = 45 GPP Engineer + 10 GPP Scientist

Or as Sources:

(3 Science) x 5 = 15 Science
(3 Engineer + 1 Science) x 5 = 15 Engineer + 5 Science

So I do not see how your first example can EVER wind up with a 50% chance in the end.

To give your idea valid consideration, I just started a new game, went immediately to world builder and granted myself Basilica (1 Commander) and Bazaar of Mammon (2 Merchant). I ended my turn, and at the start of my next turn I was sitting at 66% Merchant, and 34% Commander. Precisely what it should be if valued by points alone, and not by sources.

 

[Caradoc]

So where did my Great Bard come from? (There were no buildings anywhere that generated Bard points and the City where he appeared was 100% Engineer.) Is it possible that there are buildings that count as "sources" even though they do not generate GPPs? Or that certain Techs in themselves are "sources"?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Drama provides a great bard to the first to discover it, just like writing provides a great sage and military strategy a great commander. This is unrelated to GPP.

 

[xienwolf]

Been trying to piece together what may have happened to you on that end, and like Magi, all I can think of is a free Bard from a Tech. Did your city have 0 points when you zoomed in to it after getting the bard? Because if you know it had 100% Engineer by having zoomed in and checked, that means it wasn't from the city, but from an event/tech or somesuch. (gift?)

 

[Caradoc]

Yes, the city went back to 0 GPPs and even after it regained some, still did not show a percentage of another Bard. As I recall, I had adopted Leaves as my religion. Could that have had something to do with it?

BTW: I like to use that first Bard to lightbulb Drama, and +poof+ another Bard.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Well, temples of the leaves as well as its shrine allow a bard specialist, which provides great bard points.

 

[Grey Fox]

If you run the governor it might have used a Bard specialist for a while without you knowing it.

I think the Leaves shrine gives points to Bards too.

 

[Grillick]

By default, cities usually change a citizen to a bard when you build an obelisk, until they grow their radius to the second ring. This is a new feature in BtS.

 

[xienwolf]

Aye, only remaining explanation is that you had run a bard for some time and accumulated a couple points toward that, and then got one. Can't have been from the temple because afterward you didn't get anymore bard points.

 

[Caradoc]

Thanks, everyone, for all the suggestions. From now on I'll keep my eye out for these possibilities and if I get another unexpected Bard, I'll look back through the autosaves to see if any apply.

However, I am virtually certain that the City that spawned the Bard had never had a Bard specialist. This was my capital, so no Obelisk was needed and I would not have overlooked a specialist anyway. I'm starting to think the Dancing Bear may have really been a Singing Bear.