Greatest Roman General? (Poll)

Greatest Roman General?

  • Julius Caesar

    Votes: 15 53.6%
  • Emperor Trajan

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Camillus

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Gaius Marius

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Scipio Africanus

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • Pompey the Great

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Marcus Aurelius

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Emperor Aurelian

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Sulla

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Septimius Severus

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    28

Gandalf13

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Who was the greatest Roman general?

I think Julius Caesar wins this one. His conquests in gaul, and his brilliant victory over Pompey against an army that was twice as large as his, show this. The only Roman that I think comes close is Trajan.
 
Ceasar. I don't know much about Roman history (except that they were evil and therefore communists ;) ) but from what I know I think he's the best.
 
While I can give a lot of credit to Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Scipio, Fabius Maximus, Hannibal, and some later generals, Julius Caesar was simply head and shoulders above everyone else. Here's why.

1. He was clearly an awesome strategist, diplomat, tactician, leader and of course, logistics & personnel manager. Defeated armies that outnumbered him, etc. Many generals are that, of course, so please read on.

2. He promoted his name, Caesar, to mean a government office that held for over 400 years.

3. He wrote, "Commentaries on War", which I believe most subsequent generals have read and learned. Read it yourself, it's a great work of propaganda and military information.

4. His war on Gaul, which had been a nearby and very major problem for the Romans for a century, was financed by himself. He controlled the government for one year, that got him started. He immediately switched to financing he had arranged while consul for one year, many thousands of $talents. He generated enough money and efficiency in Gaul that he continued for years, without funding from the Roman Senate -- that business set up the Crossing the Rubicon and so on.

5. Recognizing the problems the Romans had, and recognizing the solution would need to be larger than himself (and this is where he exceeds Alexander the Great), he willed a large sum of gold to every citizen of Rome to set up his nephew. This nephew was chosen by Caesar as the best, was willed the bulk of Caesar's fortune, was acceptable to Mark Anthony (another of Caesar's nephews and Caesar's trainee), and so young Augustus Caesar established an empire and peace that lasted, more or less, 400 years.

Bibliography. Start understanding Caesar by reading "The First Man in Rome" by Colleen McCullough, about Caesar's Uncle Marius. It's easy to grasp because she is a fine storyteller, accurate because she is read a lot (like Gibbon), and provides a useful Glossary. The bibliography of details, you can then find everywhere you look.
 
You should have allowed multiple selection on your poll!!!
Because I wanted to vote for Jul-Ces; Trajan; M.Aurelius;
All those Generals were magnificent, but the only Roman Emperor I can worship is Trajan - he was the last one who enlarged the territory of Rom Emp, Conquerring Dakia, but he was the great politician as well (remember his bill that established colonatus agricultural relations).
Marcus Aurelius worth respect too because he joined the large territories on the East; Ceasar doesn't need any comments, but personally I don't like him
 
Caesar is the most secure, and probably, the better (Pharsalos!). But, many people have cast poll on Caesar, so I will vote for Scipio Africanus. After all, no other roman general face a foreign great general like Hannibal.

The reform of Marius was also very important...

And after all, Byzantine Empire is also Roman Empire, so I miss Belisarius :)
 
Scipio Africanus gets my vote...


...to correctly surmise that the key to defeating Hannibal lay not in Italy but on the North African coast was something Roman Public opinion and many voices in the Army didn't support...as evidenced by the numerous times Hannibal was challenged by Roman attacks despite his superior position and field army JUST because he was near Rome.

Hannibal couldn't take Rome, but could still face open battle in Italy...however Hannibal had to retreat from Italy as Carthage was threatened for the same reasons Romans demanded attacks upon Hannibal whilst his forces were in Italy.



Add to the fact he made some jolly rousing speeches! :)
 
Tough call between Scipio and Marius. Caesar was first class, but not quite up at the top. I voted Marius just to give him due credit; while Scipio was definitely a soldier's general, Marius may have had a greater impact on Rome's ability to win wars for the long term.

R.III
 
I don't think that anyone could realistically campare the talents of Julius Caesar to any of his sucessors. Caesar set the standard by which all the others modeled themselves and were judged by the people.

That being said, I voted for Trajan. He had ample military ability, as evidenced by his conquest of Dacia and most of the middle east. His troops revered him, and he always led by example, sharing his soldiers harships and earning their respect. He also was one of the few emperors who was not insane and/or a sexual deviant. He had one wife and never cheated on her (an amazing feat in roman society!) Unlike most other Caesars, he enjoyed excellent relations with the Senate and the common people. Peace and prosperity marked his reign. Hail Trajan!
 
Vespasian should be an option, but I say Scipio. Perhaps Caesar deserves the title...
 
Very close, but I agree with Caesar.

I would have also given consideration to Stiiicho, the Western Empire's last good general.

Scipio Africanus and Marcus Aurlieus also should be listed as just slightly below Caesar in my opinion, but men of immense ability.
 
In my books, Caesar pulls ahead of Scipio Africanus by one laurel leaf.
 
Caesar would be the obvious choice, but everybody else is voting for him, so I'll go with one of the others. (I'll think of this as a second best contest)

Scipio came to my mind right when I clicked this topic, but I've decided against him, due more to his personality (too "loose" with his men, allegedly) then his military achivements.

After that, my top three are Marius, Sulla, and Trajan. Out of that, I would go with either Marius or Trajan. Trajan certainly accomplished more, but would he have been able to have done this without Marius's acheivements? Certainly not. However, since I did not elevate Scipio due to relative achivement, I will not elevate Marius in such a way. Trajan it is.
 
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