Gripe about negotiating peace

[corrin]

I was marching a line of Death Robots through a continent, wasting away Siam's cities one by one. He keeps coming up asking for a peace treaty. I demand a little gold. He says it's unacceptable. And the war continues. By his last city, I asked for 5 gold and he refused. Same thing for the Ottomans. I kept nuking their cities. You would think they would pay a little gold per turn to stop the nuclear winters. Nope. What is the AI thinking?

 

[aimlessgun]

I've found the AI pretty 'reasonable' in it's peace settlements so far. If your powergraphs are pretty close, it will go for straight peace. If they are ahead in power (even if you are destroying them) they will ask for stuff. If you are ahead in power, they will gladly give you stuff.

If you are ahead in power, and they're unwilling to give you anything, that is mighty strange.

 

[Montov]

In your first war you might get something for peace, but if you continue being a warmongerer, the AI knows that after 10 turns of peace, you will probably attack again. Imho, the AI behaves correctly in this situation.

 

[kaltorak]

the AI knows that after 10 turns of peace, you will probably attack again. Imho, the AI behaves correctly in this situation.

If they have deaths robots on their city walls I would say 5 gold is not much for even 10 turns of time

 

[corrin]

If they have deaths robots on their city walls I would say 5 gold is not much for even 10 turns of time

My thought too. Siam refused my peace offering after I had captured or razed all of his cities and had a half dozen death robots around his last city. It was 5 gold or out of the game. He chose the latter. That makes no sense if the goal is survival.

 

[DemonMaster]

My thought too. Siam refused my peace offering after I had captured or razed all of his cities and had a half dozen death robots around his last city. It was 5 gold or out of the game. He chose the latter. That makes no sense if the goal is survival.

Their goal is to win.

And btw they usually react this way to warmongers, especially warmongers that deceit.
He knows that it wouldn't make a difference if he would get peace for a few more turns. He still have a warmonger around. A warmonger with death robots no less.

A lot of real "civs" have fought to the end in wars. Why shouldn't they. Norway didn't put down their guns just because it was Germany who attacked (WWII reference).

 

[Babri]

In your first war you might get something for peace, but if you continue being a warmongerer, the AI knows that after 10 turns of peace, you will probably attack again. Imho, the AI behaves correctly in this situation.

I think the peace deals should be customizable. So for example you can sign a peace treaty for 20 turns or 25 turns etc.

 

[Misterboy]

I have to agree with the OP. I watch MadDjinn's lets plays and see him settle peace treaties where the AI gives him everything but the kitchen sink.

It seems that lately, they won't give me a single penny. The last two games, not a single AI would give me anything to declare peace despite me going on to wipe them away.

There must be some metric by which they think they are competitive, but I have no idea what that is?

Even if they are down to a final city that is a weak city with no wonders, low population, etc. And I'm not listed as a warmonger, didn't backstab them... nothing unusual.

 

[bcaiko]

I agree with the OP, at least post-patch.

I have a recent story that shows why I wholeheartedly disagree with aimlessgun's statement that:

I've found the AI pretty 'reasonable' in it's peace settlements so far.

I was playing a multiplayer game where India's settling became problematic for me. They were founding cities that didn't make sense but, because they were too close to where I wanted to found cities, were preventing me from settling my cities as I planned.

Eventually this became irritating enough that I decided to war with India to burn their rediculous cities down. Once I accomplished my goals, took India's capital and wiped out pretty much all of India's military, I sued for peace. They admitted defeat but wouldn't give me anything but straight peace. Unacceptable. I was a good neighbor, but India continued to piss me off and I destroyed them. They should be happy I didn't wipe them off the map at this point.

So, I marched on their final city. Got their city down to 1hp and sued for peace again. I asked for their 200 gold in their coffers (not even GPT!) and peace. India would have none of it. Facing imminent elimination from the game, India refused to cough up 200 gold and live peacefully. Idiotic.

India was rightfully removed from the game and now has no chance for winning. A human player would never have behaved remotely as stupid as India's AI did.

 

[DemonMaster]

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India was rightfully removed from the game and now has no chance for winning. A human player would never have behaved remotely as stupid as India's AI did.

No a human would either have load a savegame if an appropriate one exist or quit the game.

 

[Glassmage]

lol bcaiko if you were my neighbor and suddenly you destroy my house, then ask for my $$$, I would rather die than give you anything. It's an "over my dead body" kinda thing.

 

[aimlessgun]

lol bcaiko if you were my neighbor and suddenly you destroy my house, then ask for my $$$, I would rather die than give you anything. It's an "over my dead body" kinda thing.

Yeah I would agree with this from a 'realism' standpoint. From their perspective, you're clearly stronger and going to win, and you're going to kill them anyways, so why help out this guy who just destroyed everyone you know and love? Your cities are burning, your men have been killed and your women sold into slavery. I wouldn't give the conquerers a dime. Better to die on my feet than live on my knees.

 

[bcaiko]

Yeah I would agree with this from a 'realism' standpoint. From their perspective, you're clearly stronger and going to win, and you're going to kill them anyways, so why help out this guy who just destroyed everyone you know and love? Your cities are burning, your men have been killed and your women sold into slavery. I wouldn't give the conquerers a dime. Better to die on my feet than live on my knees.

But from the "Win the Game" perspective, this makes NO sense. If you're eliminated from the game, you can't win. I was perfectly happy to leave India alone (and keep them as a trading partner) if they would have just made it a tiny bit worth my while to leave them be. Instead, Gandhi was a arse and got himself destroyed.

If Ghandi had lived to fight another day, he could have made new allies, rebuilt, built new cities. He could have recovered somewhat. Instead, he chose the open of a permanent loss. That's lunacy.

 

[corrin]

Their goal is to win.QUOTE]

They cannot win if they do not survive!

 

[corrin]

lol bcaiko if you were my neighbor and suddenly you destroy my house, then ask for my $$$, I would rather die than give you anything. It's an "over my dead body" kinda thing.

Few kings truly are willing to go down with the ship and will accept any terms if it means staying alive and staying in power.

 

[bcaiko]

lol bcaiko if you were my neighbor and suddenly you destroy my house, then ask for my $$$, I would rather die than give you anything. It's an "over my dead body" kinda thing.

Then again, Gandhi did a favor to his people by letting me destroy him. His tile management was attrocious. Under Japanese rule, Delhi became a wealthy paradise and scientifically advanced. Maybe the AI just realized it sucked.

 

[corrin]

xxxxx

 

[Misterboy]

Then again, Gandhi did a favor to his people by letting me destroy him. His tile management was attrocious. Under Japanese rule, Delhi became a wealthy paradise and scientifically advanced. Maybe the AI just realized it sucked.