Have "new" nations his own culture?
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They have a new culture in most cases. The culture in question may have strong roots in another culture, but I think that they are new and different. I think a person would be both incorrect, and possibly insult Americans (And Europeans!) if they said that the cultures were the same.
There are many similarities between cultures, and there is no reason that differences need to be a barrier, but the "new" nations do have their own culture. Even regions within countries have their own culture.
There are many similarities between cultures, and there is no reason that differences need to be a barrier, but the "new" nations do have their own culture. Even regions within countries have their own culture.
CurtSibling
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Compare a New Yorker to a trailer trash mid-westerner.
Almost alien to each other!
I think cultures don't take long to develop in some cases.
Most groups have traditions and rules;
from a biker gang to a small country.
I would say some of the USA's cultural traditions owe much to it's
European roots, but much of it's exported culture is unique and
comes from the vast array of interesting people in the Americas.
This rule applies to Canada and Oz too, only with different
geographical factors.
Almost alien to each other!
I think cultures don't take long to develop in some cases.
Most groups have traditions and rules;
from a biker gang to a small country.
I would say some of the USA's cultural traditions owe much to it's
European roots, but much of it's exported culture is unique and
comes from the vast array of interesting people in the Americas.
This rule applies to Canada and Oz too, only with different
geographical factors.
When you break it down....each city, or county has it's only culture, and differences from each other. It's own lingo, and specialities.
However....on the broader look, there are only a few cultures. Western Culture which incompasses Canada, US, Europe, parts of Asia (Russia South Korea), parts of South America, Austraila, New Zealand and to some extent Japan. Then you have middle eastern culture. Which consists of the middle east.
Then you have tribial cultures....in Africa and parts of Asia and South America. Then you have Far East and pacific cultures, China, South East Asia, Polyniesa, etc....
Now this is just a very large generalization, inside each of these cultures are many sub-cultures like I said before....but ultimately it breaks down similar to what I said above.
However....on the broader look, there are only a few cultures. Western Culture which incompasses Canada, US, Europe, parts of Asia (Russia South Korea), parts of South America, Austraila, New Zealand and to some extent Japan. Then you have middle eastern culture. Which consists of the middle east.
Then you have tribial cultures....in Africa and parts of Asia and South America. Then you have Far East and pacific cultures, China, South East Asia, Polyniesa, etc....Now this is just a very large generalization, inside each of these cultures are many sub-cultures like I said before....but ultimately it breaks down similar to what I said above.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
What are you trying to imply? I'm from the midwest and I'm damn proud of it.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
At the very early stages of their existence, their culture was a close facsimile of that of their European colonial masters, but with time, such nations have developed cultures of their own, due to the various factors and events present in their countries.
It is fairly simple to acknowledge that these nations have valid, separate cultures of their own, whilst still being linked in heritage to their "mother countries". This link mainly manifests itself in language and overt behaviours, but also in attitudes and beliefs.
But it does not supercede the unique culture of these "new" nations.
It is fairly simple to acknowledge that these nations have valid, separate cultures of their own, whilst still being linked in heritage to their "mother countries". This link mainly manifests itself in language and overt behaviours, but also in attitudes and beliefs.
But it does not supercede the unique culture of these "new" nations.
I am in disagreement. For example: a South korean and an Australian or an French and a Colombian do not have absolutly anything jointly, I do not believe that it is possible to say that such western culture exists.
I think that the cultural difference is much bigger between an Englishman and a Russian or between an Swedish and a Spanish that between an American and an Englishman or between a Spanish and an Argentinian. In all the aspects.
Many different cultures can be similar and one thing that I have noticed during my soon to be 20 year old life is that the language is a big cultural border.
If we take Europe for example; The countries G.B, Ireland, Sweden, Germany, Denmark and Norway (ok there are more I know) have similar languages... they even have many words that are the same. They cannot understand each others languages (well, unless knowing the other language that is), but there are big similarities.
If we take three of these nations, Sweden, Denmark and Norway... their language is almost the same. I can actually understand some Danish and Norse, even if it is hard, sometimes very hard!
But my point is that people with similar Languages has more in common, when it comes to Culture then with other nations.
If we take Europe for example; The countries G.B, Ireland, Sweden, Germany, Denmark and Norway (ok there are more I know) have similar languages... they even have many words that are the same. They cannot understand each others languages (well, unless knowing the other language that is), but there are big similarities.
If we take three of these nations, Sweden, Denmark and Norway... their language is almost the same. I can actually understand some Danish and Norse, even if it is hard, sometimes very hard!
But my point is that people with similar Languages has more in common, when it comes to Culture then with other nations.
allan
Cabrón
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Originally posted by CurtSibling
Compare a New Yorker to a trailer trash mid-westerner.
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rmsharpe: "What are you trying to imply? I'm from the midwest and I'm damn proud of it."
Yeah, Curt likes to talk trash about certain people--that's what he does....
Don't worry, rmsharpe, you know what you are, I know what I am, we're both from the Midwest, and nothing some trash-talker from the outside says is going to change that.
And yes, there are some people who live in trailer parks. It costs lots of money to live in a flat in New York, you know.... Maybe it's outside some peoples' means, or at any rate outside their circumstances. But is that a reason to call them "trash", Curt? We're all people....
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Compare a New Yorker to a trailer trash mid-westerner.
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rmsharpe: "What are you trying to imply? I'm from the midwest and I'm damn proud of it."
Yeah, Curt likes to talk trash about certain people--that's what he does....
Don't worry, rmsharpe, you know what you are, I know what I am, we're both from the Midwest, and nothing some trash-talker from the outside says is going to change that.
And yes, there are some people who live in trailer parks. It costs lots of money to live in a flat in New York, you know.... Maybe it's outside some peoples' means, or at any rate outside their circumstances. But is that a reason to call them "trash", Curt? We're all people....
allan
Cabrón
As to the topic of the thread (sorry about that detour I had to take in the above post), culture is a complex, multi-layered concept. It is, after all, more organic than dictated by national or provincial borders.
There are sub-cultures within cultures, old hereditary allegiances within new lands which are usually quite strong at first (recent immigrants to the US are often illustrative of this) and diminish, but may still have SOME significance, over time (second, third, fourth etc. -generation Americans--still keep a few traditions, but have also fully assimilated), and local traditions that coexist with broader ones. One could say his family, in some ways, has a distinct "culture"--ideosyncracies and such that THEY understand but others may not--it all depends on what "layer" of culture you are talking about.
That said, in a rather "broad-layered" sense the US DOES have many distinctions with Europe in terms of culture. This was starting to occur even in the colonial days--European colonists in America had to adapt to the conditions of the new land, the presence of the indigenous people, unfamiliar or more prevalent wild animals, a colonial type of economy, and other things that were different from the well-known, well-established, and well-worn lands in Europe. Of course they would evolve a different culture to adapt to their new circumstances. They developed a "frontier" culture, and many aspects of this exist to this day even though the US is hardly a "frontier" anymore. But that is just one layer. There is also the American commercialist culture, which some would say is being exported excessively everywhere else--but if you've ever been to Japan like I have, for example, you would see that while the Japanese have imported much of this and assimilated it, it is just on the surface and beneath that surface, the people are still very much Japanese and very different in many ways and attitudes from Americans. Again, we are talking about a complex, multi-layered phenomenon. And one that is not easy to define, even for anthropologists, who are the professionals in this area.
There are sub-cultures within cultures, old hereditary allegiances within new lands which are usually quite strong at first (recent immigrants to the US are often illustrative of this) and diminish, but may still have SOME significance, over time (second, third, fourth etc. -generation Americans--still keep a few traditions, but have also fully assimilated), and local traditions that coexist with broader ones. One could say his family, in some ways, has a distinct "culture"--ideosyncracies and such that THEY understand but others may not--it all depends on what "layer" of culture you are talking about.
That said, in a rather "broad-layered" sense the US DOES have many distinctions with Europe in terms of culture. This was starting to occur even in the colonial days--European colonists in America had to adapt to the conditions of the new land, the presence of the indigenous people, unfamiliar or more prevalent wild animals, a colonial type of economy, and other things that were different from the well-known, well-established, and well-worn lands in Europe. Of course they would evolve a different culture to adapt to their new circumstances. They developed a "frontier" culture, and many aspects of this exist to this day even though the US is hardly a "frontier" anymore. But that is just one layer. There is also the American commercialist culture, which some would say is being exported excessively everywhere else--but if you've ever been to Japan like I have, for example, you would see that while the Japanese have imported much of this and assimilated it, it is just on the surface and beneath that surface, the people are still very much Japanese and very different in many ways and attitudes from Americans. Again, we are talking about a complex, multi-layered phenomenon. And one that is not easy to define, even for anthropologists, who are the professionals in this area.
