TobyWanKenobi
Chieftain
Of course they "deserve" a spot. Other than just saying "no" what reasons would there be to not include them?
Hebrew civilization
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Jawsofwar
Chieftain
Their UU could be the slinger! Slingers were deadly back in the day. Even the Romans used slingers at one time.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I can think of dozens of better candidates for future civilizations..
Arabia and Islam are basically joint to the hip.
Phoenix1595
Lord of the Two Lands
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Agreed. I mean, MECCA as their capital? Firaxis could have easily made Damascus or Baghdad (later capitals of the various Arab caliphates) the starting city for the Arabs, but they chose Mecca instead, which is the chief holy city of Islam.
If the Arabs and Islam can get into the game, I don't see why the Hebrews and Judaism can't. Hinduism/Buddhism are covered by India, Taoism/Confucianism by China, and Christianity has Rome, if not the rest of the Euro-civs. Why does Judaism not have a corresponding civ?
The Hebrew nation may have been a minor power in ye olden times, but as a civilization separate in cultural identity from its neighbors, it has survived thousands of years of disaphora, genocide, and war, only to revive its statehood in the 20th century. The Hebrews have made their stamp on history (and I can think of at least one or two civs already in Civ4 who have contributed less). I am all for a Hebrew nation.
SkippyT
Who?
I've always supported a Hebrew/Israeli/Jewish civ.
They probably have withstood the most as a civilization. Streching from Morocco to Poland, Kazakstan
D) and Central-Asia...but they have maintained their culture, as a civilization! With Hebrew tradition, the Jewish religion..for centuries!
I understand a civilization can't "share" a city with other civilizations..but think about it? Name me one civilization that has achieved that. I get it that in the game what the Hebrews did can't be represented. But still it's amazing..
There are leaders well capable of leading a civilization: Solomon, Moses, Saul, Joshua, Abraham, Herod, Pontius Pilatus, Albert Einstein, Golda Meir)), David...well, maybe two of them would actually work 
and I've read an interesting idea on it's UU, a slinger. The UB might be a courthouse or library replacing building..or a bank replacement, something to make the Jews rich. A grocer?
They probably have withstood the most as a civilization. Streching from Morocco to Poland, Kazakstan
D) and Central-Asia...but they have maintained their culture, as a civilization! With Hebrew tradition, the Jewish religion..for centuries!I understand a civilization can't "share" a city with other civilizations..but think about it? Name me one civilization that has achieved that. I get it that in the game what the Hebrews did can't be represented. But still it's amazing..
There are leaders well capable of leading a civilization: Solomon, Moses, Saul, Joshua, Abraham, Herod, Pontius Pilatus, Albert Einstein, Golda Meir
)), David...well, maybe two of them would actually work and I've read an interesting idea on it's UU, a slinger. The UB might be a courthouse or library replacing building..or a bank replacement, something to make the Jews rich. A grocer?
Cu Chulainn
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What did the Hebrews ACCOMPLISH though? Not dying isn't much of an accomplishment. What did they do besides have a profound love of superstition?
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Post again in 100 years and then tell us that not dying isn't much of an accomplishment.
Onagan
The Dutch
I always thought that Einstein was a German, and became a US citizen in his later life.There are leaders well capable of leading a civilization: Solomon, Moses, Saul, Joshua, Abraham, Herod, Pontius Pilatus, Albert Einstein, Golda Meir
and I've read an interesting idea on it's UU, a slinger. The UB might be a courthouse or library replacing building..or a bank replacement, something to make the Jews rich. A grocer?
Judaism goes back before Moses. (How could he rescue the Jews from Egypt if they didn't exist yet?) I think its safe to say that Judaism was founded by the Jews and not by a person, especially since the OT contains references to cultural traditions that actually predate the OT itself. Similarly, the origins of Christianity are not due to a single individual either; but I will admit that the Hebrews didn't collectivley found Christianity- that was due to several individuals of various ethnicities.
Anyways, Hebrews deserve to be in besides the fact they founded one (possibly two) religions. Even if they were not a histroric empire, the Hebrew state has one of the world's strongest military's today.
The Hebrew's UU could be a Mossad agent or maybe a UU settler with like 5 hp.
Onagan
The Dutch
Do you referce to the modern state of Israel?
There would many people, including me, be offended when they are added.
And then i can't buy Civilization anymore.
Well, like you said in an earlier post, there are lots of things in civ that people could potentially be offended by. You said you're offended by religious buildings- religion is already in and I don't think anyone wants them removed.
Anyways, I'm not saying they have to put the modern state of Israel in CIV but people asked what the Hebrews have accomplished and I gave an example.
Also, to people who say Israel never had an Empire- neither did the Celts, Vikings, or Korea. Japan's Empire was pretty darned short-lived too for that matter. Why are they in? Because they're cool. What's wrong with another civ?
TobyWanKenobi
Chieftain
Somebody is finally letting his anti semitism out. This statement coming from someone who is glorifying Hitler on the "AH Question" thread, doesn't really hold much sway with mainstream minded people. The historical state of Israel was there. The modern state of Israel IS there. I don't agree with many of their policies, but I don't agree with many policies of many countries in general. But after reading post after post of this bile you come out with, I'm offended by YOU. Regardless of what firaxis does, my goodness let whatever hatered is in your heart go, its just a video game!
Onagan
The Dutch
Don't call me a anti-semitist. Because I'm NOT.
I don't hate Jews.
And yes, Which I posted in the "AH Debate" thread, I want Hitler in the game. I know what that guy did wrong, and he was wrong. But I want him in, because his influence on the modern world. And i didn't glorifying him at all.
I admit that I hate the modern state of Israel, not because their mainly jews, I hate them because their occupation of Palestine. And their terror on the Palestine people. That's not anti-semitism.
So on my turn I'm offend by you, for calling me a anti-semitist.
And i don't think the ancient Hebrew civilization has anything to do with the modern state of Israel. So talking about the ancient Hebrew civilization in Civ. s nothing wrong with, adding the modern state of Israel is.
The modern state of Israel has a right on the land that was given by the UN in 1947. The same year arab armies invaded the country and Israel had fought a defensive war and won. Too more successful wars in 67 and 73 made the original incredibly small border of Israel it had bigger, and gave it its current borders.
Israel have never fought an offensive war, and they give arabs in their territory full rights and the Palestinians full autonomy outside of Israel.
You only say things you hear from the communication without using your logic.
And for the topic, ancient Israel as well as modern Israel had a big cultural and religious impact of the world. Today Israeli is a very important world power and ancient Israel had led a 12 kingdoms alliance against the assyrians in 800 BC and won, and became a regional strong power.
Israel should defianetly be in the game.
Israel have never fought an offensive war, and they give arabs in their territory full rights and the Palestinians full autonomy outside of Israel.
You only say things you hear from the communication without using your logic.
And for the topic, ancient Israel as well as modern Israel had a big cultural and religious impact of the world. Today Israeli is a very important world power and ancient Israel had led a 12 kingdoms alliance against the assyrians in 800 BC and won, and became a regional strong power.
Israel should defianetly be in the game.
