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Pre G&K i was able to beat emperor level but currently I am struggling. With the addition of shrines my cities tend to fall behind as i love to build them, but i am also struggling with getting cities out. I either build the NC and have no other cities until turn 70 or build cities and struggle to make into thr classical era. Can anyone help, or specify some build orders that would help me.
 
Can we know who you use, what social policies, what your ultimate victory goal is?

If you're having trouble, try playing a tall empire. I.e. don't even bother building a settler until after the NC, or use the free liberty one after NC... I got from prince to immortal playing with just OCC. And not with occ switched on... i mean letting the AI have as many as they wish, and myself focusing on one single city.

From that point, i learned how to expand, where, what terrain to prioritise, etc... Now i class Emperor as my casual mode, and immortal as my normal... diety still untouchable...
 
You can allways play very aggresive and rush the enemies which may basicly win you the game very early. Shrines and many other buildings take long time to pay of which is very bad in the early game then you can get things that pay of much sooner which may even give you better late game then the things that take long time to pay of.
 
Pre G&K i was able to beat emperor level but currently I am struggling. With the addition of shrines my cities tend to fall behind as i love to build them, but i am also struggling with getting cities out. I either build the NC and have no other cities until turn 70 or build cities and struggle to make into thr classical era. Can anyone help, or specify some build orders that would help me.
And all of this because of shrines? No shrines = no trouble? ;)
 
OCC switched on or off makes no difference to the AI. It only effects human players. Unless you want the achieve leave it off, and your options more open.

I'd suggest dropping down a level or two in difficulty where you can experiment more and perfect some strategies for higher levels. Emperor has gotten tougher. Also, playing on a smaller map. A tiny map for example, will allow you to win a diplo victory with only spies. That's actually kind of a fun thing to do and try.

As for build order, and your core question - I almost never go liberty - old habits die hard and I love my tradition tree. But, you do get a free settler that way. Personally I find that producing settlers either before or after the NC is no big deal. You will build libraries in those cities anyway, and the science bonus early on from the NC isn't as big a deal as it once was because they've nerfed that entire chain.

My general order is: Research what a worker needs to work the land immediately around me. Research theology. Settle extra cities (1-3 depending on map size). Depending on speed and timing build the NC or wait for libraries to get built in my spin off cities.

I really think in G&K it's more about terrain than the NC, as to whether you go full out multiple cities or turtle up and OCC.
 
You probably have to get accustomed to it. That shrine is of course very important, as is early defense so you should just delay your NC for a bit.
 
Your unlikely to face an invaasion, very unlikely, that early. Shrines should not be an issue. That said, walls and an archer are pretty important, more so than vanilla, so don't wait too long on them. But you can safely put up shrines in almost all cases. On tech, you will be behind for a bit. Somewhere on the way to public schools you should make it up and pass even the science focused AIs.
 
Shrines shouldn't be a major issue. I've found that there are two major methods for religion: either commit to it or don't. Either way, I've found the following method effective on immortal, and maybe trying it will help:

Build: Scout, put points into worker while you finish pottery research, switch to Shrine, return to worker when Shrine is finished (or something else if necessary)
Research: Pottery -> anything

Basically with this you can get an early shrine to ensure an early pantheon without hampering your growth much. If you are in a desert or tundra and can rack up a ton of faith, then you should make your civ religious and use one of the money beliefs (tithe, church property) to build an economy. If not, I would just take something like Messenger of the Gods that gives you a nice early tech boost, and let someone else's religion spread to your lands later in the game. If you do the former, you should build some religious buildings, if the latter, I'd avoid religion entirely after building the shrine, and use your hammers in other ways.

If you were beating emperor before, approaching religion in this way should make it reasonably easy for you to continue beating emperor in G+K, as I actually think it got quite a bit easier. As a side note, I am COMPLETELY confused at why people suggest you build walls and an archer early in the game. This is absolutely never correct unless you are playing on deity or spawn right next to Attila. Scout -> Shrine/Worker on Pangea/Continents and Monument -> Shrine/Worker on Water Maps is going to be better, and you usually don't need to build any defensive things for a while (archer is a fine build when you have the time after worker, but Walls are totally unnecessary and a massive waste of hammers).
 
But then i how do i get a religion, yet alone a pantheon without playing ethiopia
What I meant was how tiny 40 hammers could cause that much trouble? :)
If you didn't have a problem with NC and such pre-shrines, why do you have them now?

When you go Tradition, you just build shrine instead of monument - the problem is solved.
When you go Liberty, you build the monument as you always do, then a shrine and then whatever is next. You found a pantheon before expansion anyways, and getting shrines as your first build is not critical in other cities - +1 faith at this point is hardly helping to get religion earlier and on emperor you won't face severe competition. You can build a library the same way you always do to allow NC or monument <-> library (the order is up to you), if not Tradition. Shrines can come after that.
 
Okay thanks for the help. I have anothier question, has the warmonger penelty been changed since G&K? I played a completley pecaeful game as ethiopia and was friends with everyone except Rome who had stolen numerous techs from me. I dow them and then the whole world views me as a warmonger, if it helps the opponents were Austria, Siam, England and Sweeden
 
Probably because as far as anyone else is aware, you declared war for NO reason whatsoever! You dont need NC that early to re-iterate other points. I usually play immortal, where the AI cheeses religion so fast! But i still manage to make my own, even when i squat out a worker as my first unit...

On marathon!! Where people like Celts make their religion even faster...

Alternatively if you go liberty, use that to make a prophet and found one from scratch.
 
Probably because as far as anyone else is aware, you declared war for NO reason whatsoever! You dont need NC that early to re-iterate other points. I usually play immortal, where the AI cheeses religion so fast! But i still manage to make my own, even when i squat out a worker as my first unit...

On marathon!! Where people like Celts make their religion even faster...

Alternatively if you go liberty, use that to make a prophet and found one from scratch.

Me and rome had been denouncing eachother continually throught the game, he had stonlen techs continually from me. Surley that can becounted as areason to dow rome
 
The AI doesn't care about your relationship with Rome, only it's relationship. If it's been all buddy buddy with Rome all game, or even at the moment, and you DoW them it will not like you for it. If it doesn't like Rome and you DoW them it's fine with that. In fact, I usually Denounce them first, and wait a turn or two to see who is with and against them. Or, I think if you have the patience to work through them, you can get that info from one of the civ screens - f4 global relations or something.
 
It changed in a way there is no 'free' DoW anymore. You can get a penalty for single DoW on CS/major civ. With some leaders you will, with others you won't. However, it doesn't look as severe and irreversible as it was in vanilla, so I wouldn't be too bothered just yet. From what I experienced, DoF with AI's enemies is something you need to be careful with, since it will generate more hate than single DoW on unlikeable civ.
 
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