Hero System

[Forcystus]

I love playing FfH2 and my favorite feature is the hero system. I am making a mod of my own and I would like to have national and religious heros. What hero system did you use or if you made your own, are you going to release it?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Heroes are just world units. Their limit is based on mechanics inherent to even base Civ IV. Things like the hero promotion, resurrection, and having religious heroes abandon you when you switch religions are FfH innovations.

 

[Forcystus]

Actually, when there is a world limit to a unit, that just means there can only be one present at a time. Heros are like wonders and when they are built they can never be built again.

 

[mcwill123]

No. At least under some circumstances, they may be built again. If you switch relgions/civics, they abandon you. But if you switch back and no one else has them and they haven't been killed, you can re-build them. (The word build never seems right to me in this context.)

 

[Onionsoilder]

Actually, when there is a world limit to a unit, that just means there can only be one present at a time. Heros are like wonders and when they are built they can never be built again.

Are you sure? If I recall Phungus made hero units in Legends of Revolution, and he just made them world units. I know National and Team units can be rebuilt, but I think World is once-only, just like Wonders(You can't rebuild a wonder if it's destroyed).

 

[Sephi]

Actually, when there is a world limit to a unit, that just means there can only be one present at a time.

no, world unit means more (see CvGame::isUnitClassMaxedOut)

 

[Forcystus]

I believe you guys missed my point here. I want to borrow whatever system you used and put it in my own mod.

 

[Emptiness]

As MagisterCultuum said, the Hero system is an innovation of the FfH2 team. I don't belive it has been released as a standalone system, so you'll need to dig around in the code and pull out the pieces (or write your own).

 

[Onionsoilder]

I believe you guys missed my point here. I want to borrow whatever system you used and put it in my own mod.

Have you been paying any attention all? The unit system already exists in default Civilization IV. Allowing one world unit in the unitclass makes it so only one can be built, and setting the religious prerequisites in the XML enables the religious heroes. If you want the free EXP, you will need to dig around in FFH's SDK.

 

[Emptiness]

Not all of it is from base Civ:

Things like the hero promotion, resurrection, and having religious heroes abandon you when you switch religions are FfH innovations.

 

[Onionsoilder]

From his posts it looked like he wanted to make it so certain religious/civilizations could build unique world units, i.e. 'heroes'. If he wants things like the hero and immortal promotions, shouldn't he be asking about FFH promotions instead(since those promotions aren't exclusive to heroes, after all).

 

[Emptiness]

I was under the impression that base Civ doesn't support world units that can only be built when following a specific religion and which abandon a civ that changes to follow a different religion. Sorry if I'm mistaken about that.

 

[Forcystus]

I believe that is true and you can build world units more than once (or however many times they can exist) if the original one(s) die. I understand I can make them specific to religions or civs but (as far as I know) I would have to make a base hero unit. Plus they have their own section in the civlopedia and I would like that to.

 

[mimic]

FFH has extensive SDK developments which is quite hard to code...but XML is very very easy so if your familiar with that just use FFH as a base to make your mod on. If your not familiar with XML I suggest you look through all the XML files in FFh and mess around with them to get some experience in it. Use notepad ++.

In other words it's already been released but if you want the main features of FFh you would have to do some SDK modding (unless you just build over the top of FFH).

Hope that helps and if it doesn't make any sense, I can elaborate more.

 

[Hawkwood]

I believe that is true and you can build world units more than once (or however many times they can exist) if the original one(s) die.

No you can't. Limited units use the same system as limited buildings. Buildings limited by nation or team can be rebuild, and so can units. Buildings limited to one only (ie. wonders) can't, and neither can world units.

 

[Onionsoilder]

I believe that is true and you can build world units more than once

No. You can't. I was 98% sure of this before, then I just make a quick mod off of vanilla BTS and tested it. A world unit can only be built once, even if it dies it can not be rebuilt. I am 100% sure of this now that I have tested it.

I understand I can make them specific to religions or civs but (as far as I know) I would have to make a base hero unit. Plus they have their own section in the civlopedia and I would like that to.

Base hero unit?

 

[Folket]

But what if you change religions, can the world unit be built again?

 

[Onionsoilder]

But what if you change religions, can the world unit be built again?

If you change religions, the unit doesn't abandon you(at least not in vanilla BTS). However, if it dies, it can not be built again, and you can't build it unless you're that religion. Still, that alone is a very good hero system, as not many people change religions after one is founded.

If you want the abandonment system, you will have to dig through FFH's code to find it. There is no stand alone release of it, and nobody else is going to want to dig through the code for you.

 

[Forcystus]

Sounds good to me. I was just hoping I could make a separate section in the Civilopedia for them but its no big deal.