High Score Hall of Fame Updated!

[TrailblazingScot]

you killed your pet civilisations with boredom I bet...

[This message has been edited by kittenOFchaos (edited August 02, 2001).]

 

[Thunderfall]

No thunder, I imagine that was dull as all hell. What I don't understand is, why people do that? There's no glory. There's no thrill of victory. It's just going through the motions over and over and over etc.

Some people just want to test the limit of the game.

There should be some sort of recognition for mp players too......what exactly I'm not sure..

civladders.com has a Hall of Fame section of MP players. I actually think MP players are getting more recognition than non-MP players...

 

[drake]

No offense to the ladder. I think the work woke and others has done on it is great. But the ladder and the type of games that are played there are not really what I have in mind......It's mostly civ arcade type of games there, and well, I guess they don't have much validity imo....of course I'm definetly in a very small minority here. Most people like those un-original, impersonal, ego-driven games I suppose....

guess I'd have to make my own sort of MP award huh thunder?

oh well

 

[shadowdale]

Aha back from a weeks vacation with nothing but beer, whiskey and board games!!!!! Damn that was good!!! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

Well EON even though several people have already pointed out the errors in your statement I think that I'll do it once more - just for the record (and the fun of it):

1. EON I know that you are supposed to be a very good MP player but your statement about the hunger in all my cities just shows that your knowledge about other aspects of the game are seriously lacking - I suggest that you begin to read some of the threads and strategies about food caravans - Using them you can increase you city size beyond the normal limit - but you have to keep building food caravans to prevent them from decreasing - and yes that is a hell of a job - but once you have takes some 20-30 turns in such a game you will probably be able to go through the screens a bit faster - and by clicking of the hunger warning.

2. Obsolete unites?? Well since I finished all the techs before 1000AD and builds Leo's before that all the old unites that you'll find in the game are unites that I have gotten by bribing either barbarians or AI cities/unites - most from the AI. Because as willemvanoranje says the won't get upgraded because Leo's becomes obsolete after Automobile (didn't you know that??)

I'm really amazed that a player with a "reputation" like yours didn't know all of these things!!!

And Drake - TF is right - I only did it to test the limits of the game and my own skill - but it turned out to be a test of my patience! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>

So there you are EON and if you have any further questions feel free to ask or accuse me of what ever it is - I have nothing to hide!!!

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BTW thanks guys for helping me while I was away!!

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We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish

No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

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[willemvanoranje]

Ha! Glad you could finally defend yourself, Shadowdale. There's been a lot of things happening in the week holiday you had.

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[TrailblazingScot]

Finished all tech by 1000 A.D...ooooooooh!

Do you play multiplayer...I´d love to see you in action Shadowdale! It would be a great learning experience for me!


I am right in thinking this is at deity level?


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[shadowdale]

Yes it was a deity game!!!

And no I don't really play MP games - I have almost no experience in MP games so I'm still in the learning myself!!!

But it's a bummer to live in Europe when most of the MP players are American and to have a horsehockey job!!!! I have almost no time to play but I hope that I can make that up when I start at the University!!!

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We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish

No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

 

[shadowdale]

Well it seems like there is a similar thread at Apolyton, but since I have never posted there and nobody knows me, but they know Eyes, the discussion is going against me - then again it might have something to do with the fact that Eyes has manipulated the information available!!!!!

He only gave them one savegame (2000AD) to judge from and he told them that he had played against me, and that he beat me with ease because I play like a beginner - but unless he is either Thunderfall or Vlad in disguise then that is a lie!!!

But here is a link to the discussion and the poll that he ade about the game if anyone is interested Apolyton

And thanks to Smash for defending me while I was away on holiday and to AoA for posting my replies!

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We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish

No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

 

[goodbye_mr_bond]

Well, I'm back from defending your honour, Shadowdale

, but I have to say that I found that thread quite depressing. I think the real problem is that there are all these MP'ers over there who don't know spit about a well-played SP high-scoring game.

THey're all going: "Look at the famine! How could this happen??"

Kind of funny, if they weren't so obviously ignorant of how to maximize city size through food caravans.

I wouldn't worry too much. Your reputation was sealed around here a long time ago, and frankly most of those who are incredulous are so because they can't play SP as well themselves.

Congrats on a superbly played game!

 

[Kev]

I agree with Mr. Bond, Shadowdale. The game is only in doubt over at Apolyton because the people there do not know you and your ability. It would seem that Eyes had to go in search of a more distant audience before his arguments could be heard.

If I went back in time and showed MYSELF a game that I played recently, I would have likely accused myself of cheating. My tactics now are different and my game play is on a higher level (thanks in large part to your suggestions), but I didn't even fathom a great many of them back then. This is similar to what Mr. Bond writes about the Apolytonites that are quick to accuse - perhaps they just refuse to believe that your score CAN be reached.

For what it's worth I'd be willing to bet that a VAST majority of those who know your body of work do not doubt your game. Myself included.

 

[Morgasshk]

Blah... Who cares! It's only a game!!!
Hehehe...

And EON,If you haven't killed a big civ in 1 or 2 turns before then I don't know what your even doing here giving Shadow crap... Kind of stupid when you make yourself out to be a crap player in the process...

I can see why people would think that some of these games are a bit iffy... The ones where there is heaps of food missing out of a few cities and makes them look like they have been jacked up at the last minute is suss but then I don't utilize the frieight/growth manouvre... So It may be something to do with that...

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Hey! Who doesn't love wiping out the biggest (When it's not your own) civilization in the game in only 1 or 2 turns!!! It's the best fun and then your powergraph does get quickly spiked, especially if you were slowly building forces from a few cities to go smash about a 100 of them... (Mind you, this is heaps easier to do in Prince or before!)

Anyway, thats my bit people and I'll catchyaz all l8er!!!

MORGASSHK

 

[willemvanoranje]

Isn't it time to update the High Score Hall of Fame again?

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[Rife]

Either way, I admire those with super high scores a lot for their endurance. I just today ended my first go at a super-high score on Emporer level (TOT). I gave up in 1923 and never did come close to founding as to filling up all the available land with cities. After a hundred+ cities and 200 million people it got excrusiatingly boring, and two hours to go through 10 years (I even put most of my engineers on auto and stopped chasing barbarians just to let the turns pass faster). I must say that it takes a LOT of endurance and patience to do that. I may have another go at it in Civ II Gold sometime, but not for a while. All that and my score was only 4k something. It takes endurnace I tell you

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[starlifter]

by Morgan:

I can see why people would think that some of these games are a bit iffy... The ones where there is heaps of food missing out of a few cities and makes them look like they have been jacked up at the last minute is suss but then I don't utilize the frieight/growth manouvre... So It may be something to do with that...

Today, I have been reading a lot of trashing of Shadowdale's Deity HOF game (Morgan is not necessarily trashing it, but I'll get started with his comment).

Shadowdale never said he didn't use the FCT (Food Caravan Trick)... in fact, any semi-competant player can see that his whole goal of the game is to use the FCT to create a high-scoring game... The very nature of the FCT is to "kite" food -- that is, give lots to one city, while only being charged one food icon in the donating city. That is called the FCT. Food caravans are how cities are pumped up beyond their "natural" size without cheating.

Remember, the FCT is not "cheating" (since the HOF does not prohibit using the FCT), and his game should not be criticized on that basis, or even on the basis of the food deficits that result from the FCT. Further, most (if not all) the other HOF entries do not use the FCT. But let me say again, the FCT is not a "cheat".

About Shadowdale's cities being "jacked up" at the last minute... if he wanted to "jack them up", he could have made them size 80 or 90 or 120, LOL...

I've even seen it suggested that Shadowdale (and the other HOF entries) used "2X" production to play the game. Obviously, those folks didn't bother to take a look at the games. In fact, I don't think it's even possible for a SP game to be done at 2X (at least with Civ II MGE 5.4.0f).

As for myself, I prefer to play without either super-size cities or the FCT. And yes, I do run food deficits in some of cities (due to engineers and "food sharing" of terrain). But remember... the reason cities have a food reserve is to tide them thru times of "famine". And a food deficit is certainly not a basis to view a game as "iffy"!!

So here is the bottom line... even Shadowdale's score is not the theoretical maximum (which is almost 40,000 points). Others may feel free to go out and exceed Shadowdale's score, if they have the time and inclination...