HNDY 14 AWD Small Pangaea
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ThERat
Deity
not really since Sumer and Ur are 4 tiles apart. did we pop a city?
No, I wanted the extra growth to place on the River. My plan was to put a town between Sumer and Ur to bring it to 3 spaces away.
The lack of iron I think is the biggest problem. I am fine with Handy's start
The lack of iron I think is the biggest problem. I am fine with Handy's start
ThERat
Deity
I opened both saves and both greebley's and handy's starts are promising for their own reasons
I just played a few turns to get a feel since it's a little hard to judge.
first I thought greebley's cities would stretch us a little but we can build 1 turn enkidus and that should help until the towns are connected. it has room the expand also.
EDIT: and greebley's map has plenty of BG's and cows, amazing start, just no iron
now, I am pretty undecided which one is better.
I just played a few turns to get a feel since it's a little hard to judge.
first I thought greebley's cities would stretch us a little but we can build 1 turn enkidus and that should help until the towns are connected. it has room the expand also.
EDIT: and greebley's map has plenty of BG's and cows, amazing start, just no iron
now, I am pretty undecided which one is better.
handy900
Deity
I played tired last night. The second city should be on the incese since it has better tiles to work.
We can play Iroquois and then come back to Sumeria after that game. Or vice versa. As long as we have either iron or horse the Iroquois have a chance. Sumer is best AW civ on continents or pangaea IMHO. Byz are way strong for the human on islands. We'll until the Official Wednesday deadline unless everyone checks in and wants to play Iroquois or Sumeria. Well maybe we can go ahead without Slinger. He may not have access.
We can play Iroquois and then come back to Sumeria after that game. Or vice versa. As long as we have either iron or horse the Iroquois have a chance. Sumer is best AW civ on continents or pangaea IMHO. Byz are way strong for the human on islands. We'll until the Official Wednesday deadline unless everyone checks in and wants to play Iroquois or Sumeria. Well maybe we can go ahead without Slinger. He may not have access.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I'm fine with either Hiawatha or Gil.
THe Start
The Stats
Built 4 hoplites, a worker and a settler. Researched Masonry at maximum.
Explored the surroundings, found silks, and a border has appeared in the NW.
We appear to be at the end of the continent with water and tundra to our backs.
The Stats
Built 4 hoplites, a worker and a settler. Researched Masonry at maximum.
Explored the surroundings, found silks, and a border has appeared in the NW.
We appear to be at the end of the continent with water and tundra to our backs.
DeadlyNephrons!
Chieftain
I suppose I'm checking in if I haven't already. I'm fine with all the starts but my vote is for Iroquois. I've been wanting some ancient mobile war.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Stupid question time (I R idiot). If we go with Bede's start, what happens if we build our first ring of cities at cxc? Assuming city 2 grabs the silks.
In other words, our cities may be 3 from the capital but only one from the city on either side of the ring. Think a wheel and spokes. Gives us lots of interior roads to quickly reposition troops. Or has Igor been into the hops and barley too early?
In other words, our cities may be 3 from the capital but only one from the city on either side of the ring. Think a wheel and spokes. Gives us lots of interior roads to quickly reposition troops. Or has Igor been into the hops and barley too early?
Thats too crowded for my own preference. I try to follow the rule that I never put a town in the 20 tiles the citizens can work (so distance two only on the corners).
The problem is that you end up with smaller cities that each need infra and have less shields to use meaning units take longer to build (I would rather have a cavalry built every 4 turns, than two built afte 8 turns).
The problem is that you end up with smaller cities that each need infra and have less shields to use meaning units take longer to build (I would rather have a cavalry built every 4 turns, than two built afte 8 turns).
handy900
Deity
As Greebley said, long term a tight pack hurts production too much.
That's a guess, I've never actually tried it.
That's a guess, I've never actually tried it.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I'm leaning towards the Greeks mostly because I want to see how the Admiral's Hedgehog works. Two early armies of hoplites would really burn some ground. And I don't think we would have to worry too much about AI offensives until Iron Working is known.
If it is a long game you do need more than a rax. You want a market and library to keep science and gold high for example. One of the hardest things about AW at the hardest levels is keeping research up. When we first started playing we would run into games where research essentially dropped to 10% and below - the AI advances to Cav and rifles, infantry, (tanks) while you stall.
The Rax only works if you can overcome the enemy early. This can be doable on some starts. On others you cannot and will have a long drawn out war. The higher the difficulty level, the harder (and the more civs you meet early) the harder a quick win becomes.
The Rax only works if you can overcome the enemy early. This can be doable on some starts. On others you cannot and will have a long drawn out war. The higher the difficulty level, the harder (and the more civs you meet early) the harder a quick win becomes.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
that answers the question. it's a roll of the die to see if we could put enough cities out and keep up with the AI. In my limited AW, never really had to worry about techs beyond chiv.
like i said before, I'm fine with what the team decides to go for. BTW, aren't we past or nearing the deadline? Lets get this puppy running. I'd suggest tweaking the order to put me after greebley or slinger. I'm infamous for screwing up early city placement (see gram's prodigal game)
I guess we should all vote then.
My order of preference:
1) Sumeria (I like playing this civ which is why I picked it)
2) Iroquois (A good solid position that would make a good game)
I think we need a stronger start than the other starts provide. Without a bonus food resource it is really, really hard.
My order of preference:
1) Sumeria (I like playing this civ which is why I picked it)
2) Iroquois (A good solid position that would make a good game)
I think we need a stronger start than the other starts provide. Without a bonus food resource it is really, really hard.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I'm amb. to the start, but how do we get around the despotic GA with the sumerians?
handy900
Deity
Greebley said:
I'll vote this way. I'm easy with whatever:
The tally and a Tentative new playing orderAK said:
1. Handy - Sum; Iro
2. ThERat - happy with either
3. DeadlyNeprhons! - IRO
4. Greebley Sum, IRO
5. Admiral Kutzov -
6. Bede - Greece
7. Barbslinger -
ThERat
Deity
yes, let's go for Greebley's start and if it turns out a desaster, we use tar and feathers on him and replay using handy's start. 
eager to start now
eager to start now
