Zenon_pt
Civing on the real world
I miss the Eiffel Tower effect in Civ2. Now if you declared war to someone, you will be "the" responsable one for the conflict.
Anyone else???
Anyone else???
How I miss the Eiffel Tower effect... «hum!!!»
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I don't miss the Eiffel tower, but i miss the effect that the AI would forget a war given enough time. I also think the rputation idea in civ2 was good. No nation has ever remembered past transgressions for thousands of years. If you break a ROP now they will decline to sign ROP's for the rest of the game.
I would really like that idea back in the game
I would really like that idea back in the game
FortyJ
Deity
No nation's leader has ever managed to rule that nation for thousands of years either.
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
There are many wars and conflicts caused by actions hundreds of years ago. Parts of the world still resent that Europe launched the Crusades around a thousand years ago.
wtiberon
One man who stands alone
Spain was recently bombed and al quaida leaders claim it is retribution for the Crusades. Although I do think that the AI shouldn't refuse ANY deal after one has been broken. How often have we seen countries backstab other countries in one war then be allies in the next. I once tried to get an AI to ally after breaking it earlier. I gave him all my cities (20 I think) and 20,000 in gold, all my resources, and 200 gold per turn. Still nada.
Hey, they stuck it to Spain first in 711 AD when they took the most of the Iberian peninsula! Their fault they couldn't hold on.
I agree though, with a certain passage of time things should be either forgotten or forgiven.
I agree though, with a certain passage of time things should be either forgotten or forgiven.
don't want to turn it into an off-topic political topic, but I've been hearing about the muslims being driven out of Spain so what exactly is the story with that? What happened?
What did the Eiffel Tower do in Civ2? I can remember it a bit but not what it did...
The Eiffel Tower improved your reputation with other Civs. Let you get away with more silly stuff and they would still deal with you.
The Muslims got bounced from Spain for teh most part in 1492 I think, with the fall of Grenada. From there, the Inquisition took care of anybody who felt like staying. They left their mark though, things like ajedrez (chess) and naranjas (oranges) are Arabic words I belive that survive in Spanish.
The Muslims got bounced from Spain for teh most part in 1492 I think, with the fall of Grenada. From there, the Inquisition took care of anybody who felt like staying. They left their mark though, things like ajedrez (chess) and naranjas (oranges) are Arabic words I belive that survive in Spanish.
sealman
Hater of Babylonians
Not political but historical.
The Moore (Muslims) crossed from North Africa into the Iberian Pennisula and eventually took control of what is now Portugal and most of Spain (not sure if it was all or not). Over the next few centuries, the Spanish re-took their lands and push the Moors back into Africa. That is one of the reason there is a strong Muslim influence in Spain, especially among Spain's archetecture. Muslim and Moorish influences can be seen throughout much of Spain's castles.
But I will let one of our Spanish CFC Members elaborate.
SMX
Chieftain
They also leapt ahead of the Europeans in mathematics during the Dark Ages. The English word 'algorithm' is adapted from the name of the Muslim mathematician Al-Kwarizim (sp?). One of his book titles contained the noun 'al-jebra' (again, sp?) which became the English word 'algebra'. I believe there are several other math/science words of Arabic origin, but those are the ones I remember.
sabo
My Ancestors were Vikings
Originally posted by FortyJ
No nation's leader has ever managed to rule that nation for thousands of years either.
What about Poland, or Isreal
well, Israel's only existed since after World War II. Poland I don't know but I find it hard to believe they have a ruler aged several thousand years....
I also saw in some book that the numbers we use are of arabic origin and the numbers original had in their.... image you could call it, the amount of angles that the number represents.
E.G. 2 is a line bent with 2 angles in it and 7 has seven angles and is that 7 with the line going across it.
I also saw in some book that the numbers we use are of arabic origin and the numbers original had in their.... image you could call it, the amount of angles that the number represents.
E.G. 2 is a line bent with 2 angles in it and 7 has seven angles and is that 7 with the line going across it.
socralynnek
Civ & Hattrick addict
Sometimes the game is frustrating.
I was buying a tech and gave (among other stuff) a luxury for it. I lost the luxury because I lost the next city in a war and after that, no one wants to trade with me again...It was really annoying, an Eiffel Tower wonder would really be nice. But maybe they change the whole reputation thing for Civ 4.
I was buying a tech and gave (among other stuff) a luxury for it. I lost the luxury because I lost the next city in a war and after that, no one wants to trade with me again...It was really annoying, an Eiffel Tower wonder would really be nice. But maybe they change the whole reputation thing for Civ 4.
civilleader
Prince
Poland was partioned around the 1790's and freed during 1919. That isn't close to 1000 years. Israel I'll accept. The Basques also If you consider them worthy of independence.
Zenon_pt
Civing on the real world
True anger can be a deadly weapon.
But if you go that way:
America vs. England
Portugal vs. Spain
China vs. Japan
...
But in the game itself, The ET effect need to balanced it a little. If not:
Aztecs attack you on 2000 BC. You have an alliance with him 1000 BC to strike Greece. You conquer Greece. And still Aztecs are angry with you.
In this case I(you) should be angry with the Aztecs not them...
But if you go that way:
America vs. England
Portugal vs. Spain
China vs. Japan
...
But in the game itself, The ET effect need to balanced it a little. If not:
Aztecs attack you on 2000 BC. You have an alliance with him 1000 BC to strike Greece. You conquer Greece. And still Aztecs are angry with you.
In this case I(you) should be angry with the Aztecs not them...
