How many of you have Civ3 and still play Civ1?

[stwils]

I have Civ1,2,3. And CivNet.

And even though I have not fully explored Civ3, I find myself wanting to play Civ1. Why do you suppose? Maybe because the game is more straightforward.

And I keep thinking if I play Civ1, I will finally understand the concepts behind the Civ games.

It just seems so wonderfully basic.

So do you all have Civ3 and still return to Civ1?

stwils

 

[Beam]

Although Civ I was a real relevation to me and Civ III compared to that rather a solid challenge Civ I play is not in the wishlist. Main reason: I got everything out of what is in that game and therefore the challenge is gone.

Yet in total gameplay enjoyment Civ I rates higher than II and III, mainly for mentioned reason!

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

I've got the big 3(civ I II III) and I still play them all. Probably civII the least now because it's like the cheese on the sandwich. It's not really that important. Civ I is the bun and Civ III is the meat. If you want flavor, you're gonna need them all. Hope that makes some sense, It's not supposed to. That didn't make sense either.

 

[peterval]

Yes I 've got Civ3 and yes it's sitting in its box and yes I am in the middle of a Civ1 game. Why? Well I could write a book. But every reason I come up with sounds - trivial. Here's a couple though.
Civ1 is beautifully programmed to provide complex situations in a simple, almost stark, environment. The characters are drawn with a few brushstrokes by a master craftsman. Don't you feel you are playing against real people? When Hammurabi smiles his cheesy grin don't you know just what's going on in the bastard's head? When Elizabeth 1 curls her lip don't you shudder. And the map and city chart can be understood at a glance.And I think there must have been a different scriptwriter after Civ1. I spent hours altering the script in Civ2 to make more suitable phrases fit into the same space (Consequences schmonsequences , or some such stupidity, became -Depart in peace while you may- for example). And actually that is why Civ3 was put away in its box after half a dozen moves because I just will not be able to play it without altering the script. This is supposed to be a serious game for god's sake, not a Broadway comedy.
Another thing I did after the first dozen games with Civ2 was change the tech chart back almost to Civ1 and cut out some of the new units. To hell with game balance. Sacrilege I know. I'll bet I am in a minority of one there.
And I am still learning things about Civ1 after about 10 years. I have only just sorted out (I think) the rules governing civilization splitting. And I am experimenting with a new concept involving building up AI civs in some cases instead of smashing them.
That's the end of my rant. But don't get me wrong. I wouldn't be without Civ2 for anything (the new combat mechanism was a vast improvement and the diplomacy was more subtle and I couldn't get enough of the Foreign Minister) and eventually I will feel the same way about Civ3. But I shall never stop playing Civ1.

 

[GenghisK]

The question should be: how many DO have Civ3 and don't play it?
Then I do. I don't play Civ3 at all, although I have it. At least not yet. I'm quite busy playing other games. Plus, no MP, no interest. Of course it's stupid buying a game without playing it. But I will do, I will. I won't just play it right now. I still play Civ1. Have also stopped playing Civ 2! The 1st opus is fine for me.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Don't have Civ3, nor do I intend to get it.
Have Civ and Civ2, and enjoy both, for their different merits. I do lean a bit towards Civ2, however, as it has scenario capability and nice music.

 

[Groovin']

Well i dont have Civ3 (ill wait for it to come down in price!) but i have Civ 2, and Civ2:TOT but ive stopped that after only 4 games and am back to Civ 1.

Not too sure as to why.... the isometric view still pisses me off in civ3 (i have seen others play the game).

I think in Civ 1, it is not a simple game by any means, but it just plays very simply (yeah i know that doesnt make much sense but bear with me!) in that there is absolutely nothing distracting you from the situation at hand, the game, when reading the map, units, etc etc

And actually that is why Civ3 was put away in its box after half a dozen moves because I just will not be able to play it without altering the script. This is supposed to be a serious game for god's sake, not a Broadway comedy.

Youre absolutely right there..... i heard about that and it was a bit of a turn-off for me to buy the game, even if i do sound a little bit petty (i can hear the civ 3 supporters cry 'but the gameplay!')

eh, well i could happily play civ1 multiplayer for the next 5 years if i could find the damned thing!

 

[Andy6474b]

Well. I tried Civ III, honest I gave it a good shot, but it failed, just like CivII before it. It just couldnt keep my interest. Why?
No b***y atmosphere, thats why.
I dont feel Im controlling a civilisation, I feel like Im playing a dull boardgame with very complex rules against myself. I didnt get that feeling with civI.
Watching my 50km tall units poncing round the map. Giant tanks, hovering planes, stupid stupid stupid scripts that sound like a 2 year old wrote the dialog????
NOOOOO
GOD NOOOOO!
I cant stand it!
I HATE that goddamn isometric map. I REALLY REALLY cant stand it. How hard would it have been to put in a 2d view with symbolic counters? Civ III looks more like diablo than a strategy game. Really it looks like a bunch of morons in furs playing in a backyard full of puddles and termite nests.
I hate that settlers and spearman and workers and everything else all look identical.
I hate the way that even the big map feels really small because these units are so out of scale.

IT DOESNT FEEL LIKE CIVILIZATION :-(

Gimme back the chunky dos graphics that leave the imagination to fill in the details.
Sigh. I dont even get that now. Im stuck with b***y winciv these days as the dos version wont run on my laptop.
I miss sitting back enjoying a cigerette and idly watching the colour cycled waves rolling in on the shores of my private little empire.
Cant do that with CivIII.

All I want in a new civ game, is Civ I without the population bug, and a bigger map.

 

[Zwelgje]

Andy,

You miss the waves rolling on the shore (and I guess the rivers flowing too), well I've got news for you: it is in the WinCiv game! But I have to say, I run it on two computers, one pentium100 machine and the rolling waves don't show and one 486DX2 laptop and here the waves do show....strange isn't it???

Back to topic, I own WinCiv (CivI) and I certainly don't intend to go out to buy a copy of CivII or CivIII. I don't need animated figures to battle it out, I like the CivI look!

 

[DEADHEADS]

I KNOW MANY OF YOU PREFER THE NEWER CIVILIZATION GAMES...BUT I, FOR ONE, LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL. I HAVE CIV1 (DOS), CIV2, CIV3, CIVWIN, CIVNET. OF ALL OF THESE, I JUST CAN STOP PLAYING THE OLD DOS VERSION. THE NEWER ONES HAVE THEIR UPGRADED GRAPHICS, MUSICIAL ENHANCEMENTS, NEW THIS AND NEW THAT...... BUT NOTHING BEATS THE NOSTALGIC TRIP OF THE CIVILIZATION FOR DOS. AS SOME HAVE SAID BEFORE...I HAVE TONS OF PATIENCE. I'LL TELL YOU THOUGH... RUNNING THE DOS VERSION ON ONE OF THESE 1GHZ PROCESSORS IS THE BEST!!! THE AI THINKS SO FAST YOU HARDLY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT. CIV1 MAY BE OLD SCHOOL, IT MAY EVEN BE BORING TO SOME... BUT FOR ME, IT WAS THE TURNING POINT IN STRATEGY GAMING HISTORY...AND THERE IS JUST NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT ---DEADHEADS

 

[GaryNemo]

I loved Civ1, still do, but I play Civ2. The battles in Civ2, with the winner being weakened, make for less cheating (quit/reload). Civ3 is still a nightmare for me -- we're reloading windows because of a problem with the Civ3 install.

What I really liked about Civ I was the editor. I could generate a game, go in and give extra settlers to the Enemies that were far away, still not know the map, and have it out with all of them! Give them Colossus, I'll take The Hanging Gardens. So, I had a way to generate mostly interesting games.

But I'm playing Civ2 anyway these days, hoping each game will be a huge challenge. Just finished a game, nuclear war, that took me 10 months to play, I ended with 94 SDI Defences, 18 Battleships and 300M population. Very fun!

 

[Conan]

Here's an analogy: I like computer games (on a computer).
However, there is a game on the 8-bit Nintendo called Ghengis Khan. Wonderfully simplistic, though very convoluted with depth.
Since there is none quite like it, though there were attempts,
there is none quite like it (if that makes sense).

I think more time and thought needs to be put into some games before they are even begun. What makes them playable/likeable and challenging. Some games can be improved simply by removing the cheats or easy strategies.


- Of all of the people that I know, you are one of them.

 

[GenghisK]

Indeed, I also played the strategy game Genghis Khan 2 on PC. Quite good games. Although less complete than Civ series.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Civ 1 is, without question, the best game. I don't even have Civ 2, but I play Civ 3 when I can find the time. I like having a soundtrack in Civ 3, but then sometimes I just turn down the volume and turn on the radio.

There's just something about the unrealistic Civ 3 unit relative sizes that bothers me. Other than that, the games are close, but I give the edge to Civ 1.

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

There's just something about the unrealistic Civ 3 unit relative sizes that bothers me

Explain.......

Anyways, now that I have Civnet, I am becoming more and more partial to civ1. I'm still looking for people to play against....

 

[Groovin']

Absolutely nothing beats Civ 1 for Dos anymore. I cant even stand CivNet!!! Its just annoying everything being in seperate Windows..... arrrgghhh..... i cant even explain why.... its not just nostalgia either as ive only been playing all the civs for only a couple of years.... but i want to multiplayer.... just gonna have to get over the graphics and controls.

Civ 1 doesnt have frills... everything contributes to the gameplay, its lean and mean.... and im rambling on....

 

[Irish Caesar]

In Civ 3, the units are so lifelike, that it seems kind of strange to have humans entering a boat that are big enough to sink it. In Civ 1, all the units are the same size, but that's not a problem because they don't have the realism of Civ 3 units.