how should I play coastal jungle starts?
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I don't see how are jungle coast starts any different than the others. Settle to the coast and to the rivers. If there's a hills, use them. I'd go with liberty in the jungle, since AI seems to avoid settling in jungle if there's other options. If the jungle is large, you can get a pretty wide empire. If you're not playing with Brazil, hack most of the jungle down for the farms. Spare some for universities.
This!
Your worker can't do squat until you've researched multiple techs including BW, so no farms, luxes etc. You might manage a fish pie via sailing if you're lucky.
Re-roll unless you enjoy really tough starts...
sendos
Immortal
A good option, but reflects poorly for the OP in 2 ways:
1) Should OP ever consider MP, there would be no restarts if OP is not used to (coastal) jungle starts. At most cases in MP, you have to put up with what you start with. If you whinge, you'll just be seen as a difficult person to play with.
2) Getting used to jungle starts is good training. Once you master an ideal strategy for such starts, you'll know that you're a better civ 5 player. It's best to avoid the temptation to restart the map.
I agree with Matoro's position on this issue. Look for bananas for good food and citrus for good food and gold. If you happen to be hemmed in by other civs outside jungle, I'd recommend following tradition path.
phillipwyllie
Wannabe Deity
Growth via sea-based trade routes(bnw). Jungle starts are poor as you wont be able to get any of the ancient/classical wonders(no production). If you stick with this map beeline for Bronze Working and the liberty policy that gives you a free worker and only chop the jungle you need to grow, jungle on hills must go to make way for mines.
After this beeline for education(guilds on the way) and make sure you have uni's in all cities. Try and settle only on the coast so you can benefit from sea-based food routes. Once Guilds has been researched you can put trading posts on the jungle tiles. Rationalism and the +1 science from trade posts is your goal. Pretty soon you'll be the tech leader....
Order is prolly your best choice for ideology as with iron curtain(3rd level tenet) you get +50% food/production via trade routes.
After this beeline for education(guilds on the way) and make sure you have uni's in all cities. Try and settle only on the coast so you can benefit from sea-based food routes. Once Guilds has been researched you can put trading posts on the jungle tiles. Rationalism and the +1 science from trade posts is your goal. Pretty soon you'll be the tech leader....
Order is prolly your best choice for ideology as with iron curtain(3rd level tenet) you get +50% food/production via trade routes.
A good option, but reflects poorly for the OP in 2 ways:
1) Should OP ever consider MP, there would be no restarts if OP is not used to (coastal) jungle starts. At most cases in MP, you have to put up with what you start with. If you whinge, you'll just be seen as a difficult person to play with.
2) Getting used to jungle starts is good training. Once you master an ideal strategy for such starts, you'll know that you're a better civ 5 player. It's best to avoid the temptation to restart the map.
I agree with Matoro's position on this issue. Look for bananas for good food and citrus for good food and gold. If you happen to be hemmed in by other civs outside jungle, I'd recommend following tradition path.
You've given a more rounded answer than I did, shame on me! I didn't think it through because I don't MP, largely because I suspect I'd get handed my ass inside of 100 turns!
jlim201
King
Get a pantheon, get sacred path. You will have a ton of early game culture.
A good option, but reflects poorly for the OP in 2 ways:
1) Should OP ever consider MP, there would be no restarts if OP is not used to (coastal) jungle starts. At most cases in MP, you have to put up with what you start with. If you whinge, you'll just be seen as a difficult person to play with.
No sane non M person would play jungle biased civilization in multiplayer. And people most of the time try to pick civs that have "Avoid Jungle" start bias.
Ok, thank you, now lets get more specific:
I am playing as Japan and i got Shaka and Alex as neighbours (and they don't have jungle nor tundra). They are both hostile from the beginning, settling a new city pretty much anywhere provokes a war, first from Shaka, then Alex joins as well.
Even on prince I don't have any spare production to invest in a religion or any ancient/classical wonders, something that I never have a problem with usually.
I can hold my own on prince but i suspect that on anything above king i will be destroyed with such a start.
What social policy tree is best for a scenario like this in order to not fall behind the rest of the civs and survive as well?
It feels like the road to universities + markets + rationalism is an extremely long one. On prince I am usually the tech leader already during medieval, here with a jungle coastal start i am not even first to reach renaissance.
I am playing as Japan and i got Shaka and Alex as neighbours (and they don't have jungle nor tundra). They are both hostile from the beginning, settling a new city pretty much anywhere provokes a war, first from Shaka, then Alex joins as well.
Even on prince I don't have any spare production to invest in a religion or any ancient/classical wonders, something that I never have a problem with usually.
I can hold my own on prince but i suspect that on anything above king i will be destroyed with such a start.
What social policy tree is best for a scenario like this in order to not fall behind the rest of the civs and survive as well?
It feels like the road to universities + markets + rationalism is an extremely long one. On prince I am usually the tech leader already during medieval, here with a jungle coastal start i am not even first to reach renaissance.
Guys, you are forgetting about one thing: nothing forces you to settle your city in turn 1.
Move around for 2-5 turns in order to find a better location. Something on the outskirts of a large jungle often tends to be a fantastic starting location.
Having said that, whenever you start close to a hostile civilization, just spam archers. They are cheap and 4-5 of them are enough to crush any ancient or classical civilization. Remember to add one warrior to the party.
Using this approach you can forget about settling new cities because you will be getting juicy capitals. Everyone around you will hate your guts but since it seems to be the case already, they cannot be more hostile, can they? Whenever I'm in a tight spot, I always try to clear my continent before Renaissance. Works well enough in most cases on immortal and below.
Move around for 2-5 turns in order to find a better location. Something on the outskirts of a large jungle often tends to be a fantastic starting location.
Having said that, whenever you start close to a hostile civilization, just spam archers. They are cheap and 4-5 of them are enough to crush any ancient or classical civilization. Remember to add one warrior to the party.
Using this approach you can forget about settling new cities because you will be getting juicy capitals. Everyone around you will hate your guts but since it seems to be the case already, they cannot be more hostile, can they? Whenever I'm in a tight spot, I always try to clear my continent before Renaissance. Works well enough in most cases on immortal and below.
Swashbuckler.
Chieftain
Yes but when you move and play 2 turns or more restart option doesn't work. I like to see my location first then move my warrior and settler and if the spot is bad click the magic button <3
Callonia
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If you want to chop down alot of jungle immediately, if you have a neighboring AI that's relatively close by and they have several workers out already.. dow them to steal their workers.
I once had a jungle start that quickly became a plains start because I dow'd monty and he donated six slaves to my cause. And once the jungle is gone from the capital, those six workers can quickly kick ur 2nd city into action even when it's buried in jungle.
Was on king difficulty if u care.
I once had a jungle start that quickly became a plains start because I dow'd monty and he donated six slaves to my cause. And once the jungle is gone from the capital, those six workers can quickly kick ur 2nd city into action even when it's buried in jungle.
Was on king difficulty if u care.
I would leave most of the jungle, and chop only ones that are necessary (lux, strategics and once that are on river to farm them). Two science per one tile later on is awesome.
Jungle can be great later on, but it's pain at the beginning of the game, since you have to waste turns to research techs to chop it down. Otherwise, you won't be able to do much.
but later on, it's worth it, since you'll most likely get at least one source of coal, and moderate chance of getting uranium\antiques, plus extra science and guarantee food. Plus, cities surrounded by jungle are easily defended if you prefer peaceful games. 
You forgetting that you can't always get the pantheon you want on higher difficulties.
Anyways, my advice is this. Go Pottery, then Go STRAIGHT to Bronze Working. Mine ALL nearby hills (if there are any).
After that hack down the jungles to get off the -1 production penalty it puts on the below tile. Then you should have a bit more production.
Try getting a shrine right after your scout and monument to try getting Sacred Paths. But don't rely on it if you're on the higher difficulties.
Doing that on a city-state in the early game would be safer. You would probably only get 1-2, but a lot safer.
And you will never be able to pull that off on MONTY of all people in the early game on higher difficulties. You would be murdered.
Later game, you could try that.
