How to Buff Georgia

[sonicmyst]

How about a small burst of religious pressure based from military kills on top of the faith from kills?

Edit: Oof it sounds like a hybrid spain.

 

[Leah and Rachael]

How about a small burst of religious pressure based from military kills on top of the faith from kills?

Edit: Oof it sounds like a hybrid spain.

It does sound like hybrid Spain. Or Byzantium.

I think Georgia is fine. The slight buff was nearly perfect. Maybe their special walls come a little too late, and its bonuses are 'meh' most of the time.

Here's another idea: receive double the normal yields from volcanic eruptions. Just an addition to whatever is already there.

PS: or better yet, give them the Dramatic Ages Civ bonus

 

[Mtgkuvalda]

You seem to be mistaken: Georgia's ability is not the 50% faith on combat victories. That is Tamar's ability. If you are familiar with her foreign policy as king, then you will know that much of her reign was spent counter-massacring Muslims in and around the Caucasus, taking advantage of Seljuk weakness as did Saladin and the crusaders.

Well, that's fair enough. Then all Tamar needs is to bring back the war for the protectorate. And it will be a perfect Georgia. Indeed, many people simply do not understand it, it is an excellent, strong civilization. Now Khevsur has also become extremely strong, better than all his colleagues in the class. A great fighting unit without any "buts". Tsikhe is also a beautiful building, damn powerful in defense, and with the protectorate war and the golden age at the same time, it was especially nice to see its faith exhaust. Please, Firaxis, return this to us!

 

[Mtgkuvalda]

It does sound like hybrid Spain. Or Byzantium.

I think Georgia is fine. The slight buff was nearly perfect. Maybe their special walls come a little too late, and it's bonuses are 'meh' most of the time.

Here's another idea: receive double the normal yields from volcanic eruptions. Just an addition to whatever is already there.

PS: or better yet, give them the Dramatic Ages Civ bonus

The walls are in their proper place. This is a very serious buff of Renaissance walls, they are twice as strong, they are built quickly. Also, for Georgia's Golden Age ability, it stretches out getting great age points, which is better than if they were piled up in one era. Renaissance walls, let me remind you, now give 2 points of world influence with the monarchy, and Georgia can be furnished with them like no other, because the previous walls in all cities are not a burden for it. A magnificent building.

The ability to volcano would be a terrible pull on the owl on the globe (Russian proverb). The last eruption of a volcano in Georgia occurred 6,000 years ago. On the other hand, in Georgia, the fertile volcanic soil is really actively used and has been used in agriculture.

 

[Birch617]

I always tough that Georgia in the game is supposed to be the "Fort Civ" with its unique building, so maybe +3 Faith for Forts on Hills, additional +1 plus one when the Tsike is present on the City and give Tourism based on its Faith output during Golden Ages. Idk

 

[_hero_]

Georgia is fine.

Kill some barbs, get free faith, get a fast pantheon, rush out a prophet or simply use the extra faith to buy settlers with a golden age. Declare war on all AIs and melt their units on your walls for more faith. Get Grand Master's Chapel so you can turn that faith into the world's most powerful army. Or just bully 1 or 2 AIs and use all the faith to spam out Apostles and win an easy religious victory. Or stock up faith and then spam rock bands and naturalists when the time comes to pair with your tourism generating walls. Or get Jesuit education with your religion and get rush universities out super early and get ahead in tech.

There is a clear way to take advantage of Georgia's bonuses now that can be used to improve your win odds. If people don't want to play that way, fine. But anyone who thinks easy faith generation is not valuable in Civ 6 these days hasn't really been paying attention to all the ways faith can be used.

 

[Leah and Rachael]

The walls are in their proper place. This is a very serious buff of Renaissance walls, they are twice as strong, they are built quickly. Also, for Georgia's Golden Age ability, it stretches out getting great age points, which is better than if they were piled up in one era. Renaissance walls, let me remind you, now give 2 points of world influence with the monarchy, and Georgia can be furnished with them like no other, because the previous walls in all cities are not a burden for it. A magnificent building.

The ability to volcano would be a terrible pull on the owl on the globe (Russian proverb). The last eruption of a volcano in Georgia occurred 6,000 years ago. On the other hand, in Georgia, the fertile volcanic soil is really actively used and has been used in agriculture.

A fair enough rebuttal. I really don't have a problem with Georgia. Everything's in a good place with them. I'm thinking if we are to 'buff' Georgia, it would be to make it A- or S-tier

 

[Pietato]

There is a clear way to take advantage of Georgia's bonuses now that can be used to improve your win odds. If people don't want to play that way, fine. But anyone who thinks easy faith generation is not valuable in Civ 6 these days hasn't really been paying attention to all the ways faith can be used.

Lmao...'easy'...

'Yes, my renaissance walls are giving extra diplo favour which I losing to grievances!'

 

[Pfeffersack]

Has anyone tried yet if you can stack Tamars leader bonus with the God of War pantheon?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The walls are in their proper place. This is a very serious buff of Renaissance walls, they are twice as strong, they are built quickly. Also, for Georgia's Golden Age ability, it stretches out getting great age points, which is better than if they were piled up in one era. Renaissance walls, let me remind you, now give 2 points of world influence with the monarchy, and Georgia can be furnished with them like no other, because the previous walls in all cities are not a burden for it. A magnificent building.

That being said it would be interesting if the Tshike was unlocked at Castles Technology as well as Medieval Walls. You would still have to get Medieval Walls first but you still unlock it an era earlier than usual.

 

[João III]

Maybe +1 production on wine plantations?

I would just like to reiterate how perfect this would be in terms of usefulness and theme

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I would just like to reiterate how perfect this would be in terms of usefulness and theme

Yeah most other civs would probably get negative production from working wine plantations.

 

[tsf4]

Builders have zero charges left for 10 turns as they recover from the hard work on the vineyards lol

 

[Dantesedge]

Better yet, give them the Dramatic Ages Civ bonus

This is what I would have loved to have seen. I'm fine with what they got, but the ability to play Dark policies at all times would be terrific.

Has anyone tried yet if you can stack Tamars leader bonus with the God of War pantheon?

Yes. I'm currently in a domination game with them and chose God of War. It worked wonders due to the fact my HS had terrible adjacency and I had to survive relying on the Faith from her new ability + the pantheon in warfare until I got my Tsikhes up. I also found out, since I've never used God of War before, that it works near ANY HS regardless of who owns it. That was quite nice. God of War will be my go-to pantheon from now on, with Divine Spark as back up.

The walls are in their proper place. This is a very serious buff of Renaissance walls, they are twice as strong, they are built quickly. Also, for Georgia's Golden Age ability, it stretches out getting great age points, which is better than if they were piled up in one era. Renaissance walls, let me remind you, now give 2 points of world influence with the monarchy, and Georgia can be furnished with them like no other, because the previous walls in all cities are not a burden for it. A magnificent building.

Agreed on all points. I am a huge defender of the Tsikhe and think it is also a fantastic building (while also agreeing it was awful in R&F). It backs up three victory types and protects you from a fourth. It's easy to rush to Siege Tactics, and she gets enough production bonuses towards walls they can be built quickly.

Humorously, I noticed in my current domination game that it doesn't matter how many cities you capture, if you have enough Tsikhes under Monarchy, you still make decent Diplo Favor.

 

[Datian]

Mines produce +1 extra prod for Georgia.

There, done.

Why just +1, it would be stronger with +1 prod for each mine per religious building. Religious dwarves or something, you know

 

[Menocchio]

I would just like to reiterate how perfect this would be in terms of usefulness and theme

That is the kind of thing which would work in Civilisation 5, but not so much here, I think. In 5 luxuries could spawn anywhere regardless of continents, but in Civilisation 6 they are much more restricted. Even if they had a tier 1 start bias to the wine resource, even wine did not spawn in a map then they would completely lose a whole bonus irretrievably. This is why similar bonuses in Civilisation 6 are worded like "resources improved by plantations/camps/pastures/etc." Personally I think it would be nicer for civilisations to have resource-specific abilities, but with the current mechanic it would just be frustrating.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

That is the kind of thing which would work in Civilisation 5, but not so much here, I think. In 5 luxuries could spawn anywhere regardless of continents, but in Civilisation 6 they are much more restricted. Even if they had a tier 1 start bias to the wine resource, even wine did not spawn in a map then they would completely lose a whole bonus irretrievably. This is why similar bonuses in Civilisation 6 are worded like "resources improved by plantations/camps/pastures/etc." Personally I think it would be nicer for civilisations to have resource-specific abilities, but with the current mechanic it would just be frustrating.

Yeah I only said that as a joke.
That being said there's no reason that a civilization couldn't start with their own unique luxury resource without showing up on the map. I remember people taking about Phoenicia possibly getting Tyrian purple. Obviously it would have to be a luxury not already included in the game for it to work.

 

[Mtgkuvalda]

That being said it would be interesting if the Tshike was unlocked at Castles Technology as well as Medieval Walls. You would still have to get Medieval Walls first but you still unlock it an era earlier than usual.

This would have been true earlier, and I, that's funny, thought about it when Georgia first came out. But now in the Middle Ages, there is already a magnificent, powerful khevsur (it seems that people do not notice what firaxis did with the unique units of most civilizations), so tsikhe in castles will already be cheating. For Tamar, it will not be a problem to build them at the moment with the bastion card and already win an unconditional diplomatic victory.