how to improve the seas...

[Go Boks]

The last part is definitely a b*tch. However, I often get maps where a canal would allow me to either access bodies of water that are otherwise inaccessible, or cut 10+ turns out of transport times, which is huge. Unfortunately, I don't often play as the Lanun.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Thats where Tsunami is important. Unfortunately, it is a late game spell and only has a small chance of turning land into coast.

 

[MrUnderhill]

The last part is definitely a b*tch. However, I often get maps where a canal would allow me to either access bodies of water that are otherwise inaccessible, or cut 10+ turns out of transport times, which is huge. Unfortunately, I don't often play as the Lanun.

You could always build a city on the bottleneck if it's only a tile wide. It's not a true canal, but it's better than nothing. If you're Lanun, you can widen it by another tile by building a Pirate Cove just outside the city.

This reminds me of another thing; are Pirate Coves pillageable? If they are, you could have a ship set up to constantly pillage your own coves, build a new cove in the adjacent tile, and make a pseudo-canal that way.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I tried that once, but all the ships I had nearby were pirates and HN doesn't allow pillaging, I think. Come to think of it, I think that they are pillagible but that ships are unable to pillage, so you might need a couple of Drowns if you want a super-canal.

 

[kenken244]

This reminds me of another thing; are Pirate Coves pillageable? If they are, you could have a ship set up to constantly pillage your own coves, build a new cove in the adjacent tile, and make a pseudo-canal that way.

that would consume a lot of workers so it would be much cheaper to tsunami it

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Yup, Sureshot always liked to have her Drowns pillage a moat or make a bottleneck that way.

 

[eerr]

hower- connecting diffrent types of bodies of water causes problems
(oceans, seas, and lakes)
which is very unfortunate

 

[Go Boks]

You could always build a city on the bottleneck if it's only a tile wide. It's not a true canal, but it's better than nothing. If you're Lanun, you can widen it by another tile by building a Pirate Cove just outside the city.

I am pretty sure there are distance requirements on Pirate Coves.

I tried that once, but all the ships I had nearby were pirates and HN doesn't allow pillaging, I think. Come to think of it, I think that they are pillagible but that ships are unable to pillage, so you might need a couple of Drowns if you want a super-canal.

Of course ships can pillage. You must not build work boats very often.

 

[kenken244]

Of course ships can pillage. You must not build work boats very often.

 

[MrUnderhill]

I am pretty sure there are distance requirements on Pirate Coves.

Only when you try to build them right next to each other, IIRC. At least, I remember building coves right outside landlocked cities to give them a port.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Fishing boats are automatically pillaged when a ship (or sea animal) enters a tile containing the enemy. Ships do not have the pillage ability the way land units do.

 

[Go Boks]

Who said anything about work boats having pillage? Your ships do, unless they can enter enemy territory. The only way you can pillage an in-place work boat is by clicking the pillage icon.

 

[kenken244]

i think he meant that fishing boats can be pillaged

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

I agree that sea travle has become slightly boring. The only sea unit I ever build is the pirate for the hidden nationality. I like your idea on spells. I think you should have to sacrifice an adept to allow ships to learn spells. Overall, I think that with the new AI improvements in BTS (particularly the claim that their ability to control ships is better), these improvements will be very good.

 

[kenken244]

in fact, when bts comes out im planning on making a modmod for naval thingies

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

Now that I've been playing BtS for a while, I really like the new blockades, especially on 1 tile island cities. The lanun maybe could get a specail ship which gets even more gold from blockading then other privateers. Hopefully more is added to the sea for FfH, like some more barbarian units.