This is gonna sound VERY SJW but if it's in the same spirit, it's from the other side. I've wanted to play Red Front for a LONG time, because it's one of the best Civ 2 scenarios period, and I agree. The problem is....I hate the Nazis, but I don't the Communists to win either. I know what the COmmunists will do when they crush the Axis, and I don't want any part of it. It kind of possible to imagine with a World War II game that the your version of Hitler is just a thug, just an imperialist Ceasar or Rhodes of the East and not Leopard to the Slavs and the Jews, because while the Nazis until they started World War II were bad they "only" killed about 10,000 people, which is Putin level bad but not monster bad,
Stalin already has a track record in the millions, possibly tens of millions in 1941. And I know what he did historically. And for me all games are really about the narrative, at the heart. The only way I can play like from the German side is to say THIS version of Hitler sin't doing the Holocaust, he's ruthless but he's not not a monster. He's carrot and stick guy.
So I figure I have to modify the game, and probably the events to make it so I can stomach playing "the Communists" and I figure to make that tolerable, I'm gonna need to alter the following:
1. Stalin is probably going to have to go. Not just be renamed but be removed/suicided, killed at some point in 1941, and replaced with someone who's more likely to not be a murderous thieving awful person.
2. Make peace with the Ukrainian by promising and coming through with ending collectivization
3. I don't mind making eastern Europe into Warsaw Pact satellite states, as long as there's something in the events where they aren't made Communist states, just satellites, maybe corrupt democracies dominated by social democrats, but Bulgaria and Romania and Yugoslavia (and possibly Greece and Italy) retain their kings or get traded by influence swapping with Britain
4. A more just realignment with the poles east of the Curzon Border and if there's an east Germany, they keep their 1937 borders, including East Prussia.
5. In all cases, whatever tech have to be researched, whatever costs have to be paid, the Red Army acts with utter professionalism toward civilians, even German ones.
Maybe none of you have ever thought about it before but every time I try and play Red Front, I have to put the game down and say, I can't do this, I couldn't do it any more than play as or in service of the historical Hitler.
Has anyone else felt this way? And whether or not you have, any suggestions on how to implement changes that would soothe my conscience? Cause this isn't like playing a Wehrmacht or Red Army soldier who's fighting for one's country and one's own survival and has no decision-making powers other than to try and not get shot, this is different, the chains of responsibility are higher at the strategic level.
I was thinking of playing a hotseat as the Soviets AND Americans, but I don't know if the Americans when they show up, are OP as ****.
Stalin already has a track record in the millions, possibly tens of millions in 1941. And I know what he did historically. And for me all games are really about the narrative, at the heart. The only way I can play like from the German side is to say THIS version of Hitler sin't doing the Holocaust, he's ruthless but he's not not a monster. He's carrot and stick guy.
So I figure I have to modify the game, and probably the events to make it so I can stomach playing "the Communists" and I figure to make that tolerable, I'm gonna need to alter the following:
1. Stalin is probably going to have to go. Not just be renamed but be removed/suicided, killed at some point in 1941, and replaced with someone who's more likely to not be a murderous thieving awful person.
2. Make peace with the Ukrainian by promising and coming through with ending collectivization
3. I don't mind making eastern Europe into Warsaw Pact satellite states, as long as there's something in the events where they aren't made Communist states, just satellites, maybe corrupt democracies dominated by social democrats, but Bulgaria and Romania and Yugoslavia (and possibly Greece and Italy) retain their kings or get traded by influence swapping with Britain
4. A more just realignment with the poles east of the Curzon Border and if there's an east Germany, they keep their 1937 borders, including East Prussia.
5. In all cases, whatever tech have to be researched, whatever costs have to be paid, the Red Army acts with utter professionalism toward civilians, even German ones.
Maybe none of you have ever thought about it before but every time I try and play Red Front, I have to put the game down and say, I can't do this, I couldn't do it any more than play as or in service of the historical Hitler.
Has anyone else felt this way? And whether or not you have, any suggestions on how to implement changes that would soothe my conscience? Cause this isn't like playing a Wehrmacht or Red Army soldier who's fighting for one's country and one's own survival and has no decision-making powers other than to try and not get shot, this is different, the chains of responsibility are higher at the strategic level.
I was thinking of playing a hotseat as the Soviets AND Americans, but I don't know if the Americans when they show up, are OP as ****.
