Howard Dean joined my Senate

[Terrapin]

I would be curious to hear whether anything like this has happened to the rest of you....

So I am playing SP (diety, raging ho's) as the Romans. Shortly before entering republic, I lost a brand new city to the barbs. No problem, I had a diplomat nearby, and figured I could farm up a few NONE units for when I got to republic. So my dip snuck up to the edge of the city radius and waited...and waited... and waited. No barbs appeared.

Curious, I moved the dip into the city radius, but still saw no movement. Finally, the dip investigated the city, just so I could see what the hold up was (they were building the fourth archer, with three already fortified. the city was, by then, size four).... Once I sent another dip down there, the barb archers started to show up...

But that is not the story. All of this took place south of the Roman Empire. Later, a few turns into republic, the northernmost outpost of Rome was threatened by one of two barb chariots (not from the barb city) in the area. Although it was guarded only by a single phalanx, I figured no problemo, I had a veteran horse nearby. I moved it into striking position so that it could attack the chariot(s) if they went for the city. The move worked beatifully, as the first chariot moved into the killing zone and the other was three spaces behind (i.e. it could not walk up and kill my horsie). As soon as my turn started, I took control of the horse and moved across the open space and attacked the the chariot. Then, with God as my witness, a message popped up:

ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DECLARE WAR ON THE BARBARIANS?

huh?

YES! They are barbarians, for heavan's sake!

Then:

YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED BY THE SENATE. ACTION CANCELLED.

What kind of sorry, sad sack, birckenstock wearing, dope adled hippy peace-nic freaks are in the Senate? They are BARBARIANS! Why do I even have to declare war on them! How can the Senate overrule me?

Does anyone know if this happened: 1. because the barbarians had a city (although different barbarians than the one I tried to attack). 2. because I investigated their city (i.e. treated them like a real country) 3. Some other reason I have not thought of.

 

[Ramsses]

I know this 'funny' thingy.

I had it too once when I was playing the standart Rome scenario when I was a newbie.

It comes because now they have a city they became a 'country'.

You can't talk with them but you can declare war .

 

[Endophyte]

Yar. The same thing happened to me and it infuriated me so much I quit the game. Grr stoopid lousy senate!

Strange to think you could somehow be at peace with the barbs. Imagine seeing:

"Surprise attack by Barbarian forces!"
or
"The Barbarians have broken the cease-fire!"

Ridiculous. I feel for you, man.

 

[Al Zan]

dam that senate!

 

[The Mass Leader]

Sometimes in Civ2 I wanted to be Janio Quadros.

Janio was a president of brazil, who governed only for 7 months. He renounced power and went home.

He was expecting that the brazilian people, scared by the radical ideas of the vice-president (accused of being a communist, during the 1960´s), would cry for Janio. He believed he would be put back in the president chair with special powers.

His "trick" went wrong. The country almost exploded in civil war during 1961, but finally the vice-president could come back from his diplomatic trip in "red" China and take his position as the country ruler. This vice-president was later overthrown by a military coup in april 1964. After that coup, democracy came back only in the 1980´s, and brazilians could vote for president again only in 1989.

It was a tragedy.

But, what made this man, Janio Quadros, to throw his beloved country into this nightmare? What made him make that step, that sealed the fate of Brazil for almos 3 decades?

THE SENATE !!!!!

Yes, the senate. He could not rule the country since every single thing he tried to do was overruled by the senate. Just because they did not liked him, and tought him as a weird nerd who wanted to rule the country.

I tell you something: by playing Civ 2 I discovered that I would do worst that Janio if was in his role.

I was playing yesterday, you know. I was attacked by the Zulus once, during the Primitive War. Then, second sneak attack during the middle ages. The 300 - year war ecloded during the end of the medieval age and begginings o modern. Then, when I had already armors and bombers, another war, started by the same zulus.

The war ended because no one attacked the other for a long time.

So, after centuries of zulu sneak attacks, I decided to launch a final assault and rid the world from them. What happened?

My senators had no memory nor sense of danger, and overuled me.

Just when I dropped senate out and began a new revolution (I give up from republic, and was planning to get Fundamentalism), what happened? The zulus sneak-attacked! And i was in anarchy. It was hard to even save the country.

 

[MikeLynch]

I let Barbarians have cities all the time. Not always intentionally, but often. And this has never happened to me, but I never play Democracy. So I theorize that the game only treats Barbarians as a "civ" if you're Democracy.

 

[Cactus_Jack]

It would be cool if you could make peace with the barbs give them tec and bribe them to attack other civs. Like give them nukes planes and tanks, and watch them smash the other civs into little bits. Oh wait i do that with cheat mode and create barb nukes.

 

[sobx10]

thats the most sad thing i ever heard, but since it was diety im a little challenged by this awfully bad stance... why didnt u have a pikemen or phalanx near by to protect???? and did they just appear or did u see them on screen and figured theyd go attack carths, or something?

 

[sobx10]

Originally posted by Cactus jack


I let Barbarians have cities all the time. Not always intentionally, but often. And this has never happened to me, but I never play Democracy.


I'm gonna try this crazy strategy and see if i end up seeing the barbarians have taken over the world!!!!! ur diplomats are no use for there archers, and they have upgraded to a 99% literacy, and got to 32 advanced sciences, built a complete space ship, and took over the last player with a battle ship, because we all know how computers are when u try to beat them in a game...

 

[Nylan]

Stupid Senate...I play as communist.

 

[Patches97]

this has nothing to do with Howard Dean !!!


HUH??

 

[Patches97]

HEY how'd you guys get there?? you weren't there a minute ago!?

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by Patches97
this has nothing to do with Howard Dean !!!

HUH??

Dean was clearly mentioned in the first post...It's right here:

Originally posted by Terrapin
sorry, sad sack, birckenstock wearing, dope adled hippy peace-nic freak

 

[Nylan]

Originally posted by Patches97
HEY how'd you guys get there?? you weren't there a minute ago!?

What?

 

[Patches97]

Well, I finished my post before my computer finished loading the page, so I didn’t get a chase to look at the other posts... ( I have a slow computer.) sorry, sad sack, birckenstock wearing, dope adled hippy peace-nic freak??? what is a birckenstock ???

 

[Nylan]

You tell me

 

[Ballazic]

The barabrians should be able to talk to you.

 

[harperbruce]

Yar. The same thing happened to me and it infuriated me so much I quit the game. Grr stoopid lousy senate!

Strange to think you could somehow be at peace with the barbs. Imagine seeing:

"Surprise attack by Barbarian forces!"
or
"The Barbarians have broken the cease-fire!"

Ridiculous. I feel for you, man.

Read the first message in this thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=69565

which was from me, for my own feelings about the Senate at times..

 

[mortalmadman]

Sometimes in Civ2 I wanted to be Janio Quadros.

Janio was a president of brazil, who governed only for 7 months. He renounced power and went home.

He was expecting that the brazilian people, scared by the radical ideas of the vice-president (accused of being a communist, during the 1960´s), would cry for Janio. He believed he would be put back in the president chair with special powers.

His "trick" went wrong. The country almost exploded in civil war during 1961, but finally the vice-president could come back from his diplomatic trip in "red" China and take his position as the country ruler. This vice-president was later overthrown by a military coup in april 1964. After that coup, democracy came back only in the 1980´s, and brazilians could vote for president again only in 1989.

It was a tragedy.

But, what made this man, Janio Quadros, to throw his beloved country into this nightmare? What made him make that step, that sealed the fate of Brazil for almos 3 decades?

THE SENATE !!!!!

Yes, but much more often it's the pres that screws things up. I hope you're not a communist. Be a monarchy

 

[Conrino]

I say the fundamentilism is better myself, especially after you have gotten all advances already and are building your spaceship (or conquering the world. Or both.)