I'm Overclocking

Damnyankee

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Hi guys, i just started overclocking and i am starting slow. My Pent 4 2.8 ghz processor is being overclocked 5% at the moment making it 2.9 ghz. The temp is anyware from 87-96 Faherinhite. Should i stop or keep going? My goal is 3.2, but i won't push it if the normal temp becomes 100 faherinhite
 
MarineCorps said:
Might I ask exactly how you overclock ones CPU?

That's on eof those things I'd say one should research themselves, or do on a computer they do not care about. It is risky business, (allthough my motherboard came with an overclocking software interface, with the core cell technology, I just haven't played with it yet.... and I may never).

Old machines require changing of jumpers to increase front-side bus speeds.....

....I think. :mischief:
 
MarineCorps said:
Dangerous huh? Well I think I will avoid it since I paid several hundered $ to build my own computer.
If you don't know too much about hardware, it's a good idea to stay away from overclocking until you can really understand the basics.

There are programs that make it "easy" to overclock your system, but that doesn't necessarily make it safe. You need to worry about temperatures, voltages, RAM clock speeds, and other variables. It's usually more of a hassle than it's worth unless you really know what you are doing and do a professional setup.
 
o/c is useless unlessyou are gamer. your CPU is almost never running at 100% therefore it makes no difference whether you are 800MHz or 2800MHz . You are just making more heat and noise.

Future is in downclocking to save power when CPU cycles are not used. Like it is been done to mobile processors. And to have power only when needed.


yankee, AMD processors overclock as much - as beginner you might not know that.
AMD fans might get mad at your statement ;)
 
Comraddict said:
Future is in downclocking to save power when CPU cycles are not used. Like it is been done to mobile processors. And to have power only when needed.
This is true, for the most part. We see Intel taking the route of developing their Pentium M processors, which are probably going to be the basis for their newer chips after the 3.8Ghz. We'll see.
 
The intel adopted model nomenclature and gave up in making 4GHz P4.
This means to me that they abandoned high cycle low efficiency P4 techology, and are going to produce efficient and fast CPUs that are based on Pentium M. In other words, it is going to be in 2.xGHz range. That is why they don't want to confuse buyers with "sound so fast" Pentium 4 running at 4GHz.
I have 3.2GHz P4 and I was able to push it to 3.8GHz simply by changing FSB, with everything stock. Thus intel is capable of making faster P4, but they are in process of killing P4 and preparing for new CPU generation.
 
What is the point of overclocking, exactly? Does it help, and, if so, how, and for what?

I have am AMD 1700+, and I have yet to see it working over hard for anything. I have had few, if any problems with it not working as it should, in fact. So, if overclocking is dangerous, then what is the point?
 
RealGoober said:
I have am AMD 1700+, and I have yet to see it working over hard for anything. I have had few, if any problems with it not working as it should, in fact. So, if overclocking is dangerous, then what is the point?
Most people tend to do it so that their games perform better. Some others do it just for the sake of doing it. I've done it on older systems that I've long since retired just for the sake of doing it.

It all depends - but usually when you do it on a system that you've just built, it's pointless. It will void most warrantys on hardware items and can easily break your products. It's a huge risk factor for mostly minimal gain.
 
I don't think it's dangerous, and generally just try +20%. If it fails, I'll get a Blue Screen of Death, and try again with +10%. If that don't work then I take it back to the shop and claim it only works if underclocked :mischief:

There are two groups of overclockers - those that come home from work and drool over benchmark results (overclocking new hardware) ... and those who come home from work and need more power in a 3D game (overclocking older hardware).

I don't think it's a minimal gain at all. If that was the case, why do they sell faster processors? :)

Use overclocking as a (risky) alternative to upgrading. It's not free though because you will probably need to invest in improved cooling.

The processors all come off the same production line, but due to manufacturing methods, no two chips are identical. They are all tested and grouped by stable working frequency; some get binned. When it comes to selling them, you can get lucky if the manufacturer had very high gains - because that means they sold off high-spec processors as lower spec to make up numbers. Whoohoo! Checking the location of where they were manufactured can increase these odds because not all factories are equal.

However, if all goes horribly wrong, they can burn out :(

You may also be able to tweak the voltage, but I'm not familiar with current motherboards so cannot be sure if that's an option. Electric signals in processors can be damaged by electronic noise (often caused by heat) - causing a crash. Higher voltage gives a stronger signal. Lower voltage reduces heat.

Note that heating problems can affect any computer. Older machines will sometimes overheat because of too much insulating dust clogging up the CPU fan or coating the heatsink. An overclocker just needs to be more aware of such things and keep the cooler nice and clean - and replace worn out fans :)

You can also overclock your graphics card. This is not likely to produce massive performance gains because they are actually rather CPU-dependent. PC architecture is fundamentally flawed. Bah. I don't like to overclock graphics cards but some manufacturers assume their customers will do so. They use memory chips rated higher than factory settings, or add cooling where none is required. Like the chips on my GeForce3 are rated to 250MHz but are clocked at only 230MHz (460DDR). Checking online reviews will often expose these details for you without the need to rip heatsinks off and take a look for yourself.

System memory can be overclocked, but I think that's a really bad idea, because memory chips are normally sold with minimal redundancy - meaning they are running close to the bone as it is. I have overclocked the memory bus at times but only with higher-rated memory chips already seated.

One that really improved my 3D games was overclocking the mouse! You can actually increase the frequency of the PS/2 mouse port to increase the number of updates per second. I have done this with excellent results. The mouse does actually need to be high quality or it will malfunction :rolleyes:

Basically anything can be overclocked. The PCI/AGP bus can also be done to increase the speed at which data travels between the graphics card and CPU. This generally has severe side-effects on unsuspecting devices like network cards - manufacturers of such things rarely think of accomodate overclockers :(

For a wonderful database showing overclocking results for each processor model, visit http://www.overclockers.com - I have always achieved what is given here as the "average overclock" using only regular air cooling.

For a catalogue of CPU coolers (which can influence your purchase even if you aren't in the UK) see http://www.overclockers.co.uk - I'm not sure if they still do, but they used to sell processors tested & guaranteed to overclock :lol:

Serious overclockers in search of maximum benchmark results (which is kind of a hobby to them) will resort to watercooling or the use of a peltier. This increases the cost so is rarely worth doing with older computers - though the peltier might tempt you. A peltier is a heat-plate, except one side gets cold and the other side gets extremely hot. You put the cold side against your CPU and invest in truelly awsome cooling on the other side. With such a setup you might achieve +50% or more. Some people will even use water cooling on their graphics card :crazyeye:

A peltier must produce more heat than the overclocked CPU - or it won't be able to cool it. The cooler, whether it is air or water, must be able to get rid of that energy - and not just leave it trapped in the case! There will also be condensation around the frozen CPU which requires attention and nerves of steel.

Note: I have never used watercooling, and only planned peltier cooling with big extractor fans. Leaving the case panels off does not work as well as you might think because the air is not being moved, meaning it stagnates and just warms up. A sealed case with well planned air-in/out will shift heat more effectively.

In the run-up to the 1GHz milestone (some years ago) there was a company that sold, in the UK, a 700MHz Athlon (@ 1GHz) in a case with a fridge and water cooling. This was a regular highstreet product in competition with Dell and others. Funny, no?

One last final note, back down to earth: You will get better results if your PC is not next to a radiator or in direct sunlight. If you live in Canada, just wrap your PC in a plastic bag and hang it out the window ;)
 
Comraddict said:
o/c is useless unlessyou are gamer. your CPU is almost never running at 100% therefore it makes no difference whether you are 800MHz or 2800MHz . You are just making more heat and noise.

Future is in downclocking to save power when CPU cycles are not used. Like it is been done to mobile processors. And to have power only when needed.


yankee, AMD processors overclock as much - as beginner you might not know that.
AMD fans might get mad at your statement ;)

I never said that AMD doesn't overclock as good, the fact is that AMd Processors are more likly to overheat then Intel ones. I'm not knocking AMD, they make good processors that are more economically freasible. However, if a person has water cooling, Then AMD is the perfect choice
 
I'm not too botherd about overclocking. Wait 6 months, they'll release a cpu designed to run at the speed you're getting.

Watercooling terrifies me. Water, electronics, ermmmmm no. I've looked at the type of connecters that they use, I know them well (I work with chemical dosing systems), and they do leak. Not worth the risk to me.

In the run-up to the 1GHz milestone (some years ago) there was a company that sold, in the UK, a 700MHz Athlon (@ 1GHz) in a case with a fridge and water cooling. This was a regular highstreet product in competition with Dell and others. Funny, no?
I remember that :) I saw it on the front of Computer Shopper magazine. Some insane price. I seem to remember they were 666mhz, but then my memory's known to be faulty.
Wonder if anyone rushed to get one, and how they felt 6 months later when they released one's that ran 1ghz reliably, with just a heatsink and fan :lol:
 
MarineCorps said:
You can cool your CPU with water? :confused:
Sure! We had a mainframe a few (20) years back that was water-cooled. :eek:

The only thing you have to be careful of is that *all* the electronic components are not in actual contact with the water. ;)

(The chilled water flows around/through heatsinks, etc.)
 
Strontium_Dog said:
I'm not too botherd about overclocking. Wait 6 months, they'll release a cpu designed to run at the speed you're getting.
Or, wait 6 months and get a lower-rated CPU for half the cost and o/c it :p
Strontium_Dog said:
Watercooling terrifies me. Water, electronics, ermmmmm no. I've looked at the type of connecters that they use, I know them well (I work with chemical dosing systems), and they do leak. Not worth the risk to me.
Yup. I used to work in Aquatics/Icthiology and we used water pumps there too. There's loads in cardboard boxes around my home, some really high-performance pumps with all the tubes and taps.. but I never installed one in my PC :p
Strontium_Dog said:
I remember that :) I saw it on the front of Computer Shopper magazine. Some insane price. I seem to remember they were 666mhz, but then my memory's known to be faulty.
Could well have been 666MHz; 700 was just an educated guess. My memory is also unreliable :)
 
Or, wait 6 months and get a lower-rated CPU for half the cost and o/c it

Actually, I built my entire P.C. like that. Not being a power gamer, I don't need the latest stuff. So I upgraded my old one, piece by piece, when something new came out, I'd buy the one it replaced, as the price just drops :) I did that until I'd replaced the entire thing.

Yup. I used to work in Aquatics/Icthiology and we used water pumps there too. There's loads in cardboard boxes around my home, some really high-performance pumps with all the tubes and taps.. but I never installed one in my PC

You can get all the parts seperatly, you'd need a cpu plate, and one for the graphics card, not to mention the northbridge. I just don't like the idea of my pc turning into a fishtank :lol:
 
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