I'm ready to change Ideologies now...

[je2000]

I right clicked to dismiss and let some things transpire with the Huns. I'm ready to change now...how can I go about this? Do I have to wait until I get enough points to change again?

Playing on Prince as America.

So glad I'm finally getting a handle on this game. I am so going to steal all of the Incan museum artifacts through thermonuclear warfare.

 

[stormtrooper412]

you can only change if your people are not happy because of it, i.e. you have ideological pressure on you. If your people are content, can't do it

 

[je2000]

you can only change if your people are not happy because of it, i.e. you have ideological pressure on you. If your people are content, can't do it

So what happens to all those points you accumulated to be able to change in the first place? Or maybe my question should be, how can I get the social policy screen to show up? I simply declined to change a policy/ideology and now want to change. Happiness is good. Is there a button for this screen that I'm missing? For now it seems it only comes from the notifications ie Enhanced User Interface on the right, which only comes when enough points are accumulated.

 

[joncnunn]

Moderator Action: Moved to General Discussions

 

[joncnunn]

So what happens to all those points you accumulated to be able to change in the first place? Or maybe my question should be, how can I get the social policy screen to show up? I simply declined to change a policy/ideology and now want to change. Happiness is good.

If I'm understanding you correctly, at one point you were given the option to change ideologies but didn't take it and no longer have the option.
What this means is that previously you were under ideological happiness but no longer are. You can only change ideologies when you are currently experiencing ideological unhappiness.

 

[beetle]

Do I have to wait until I get enough points to change again?

No, like ST said, you can change anytime your citizens are not content. You will want to wait until you have enough points to select a new SP (and select that new SP) because in addition to losing two ideology tenets, your accumulated culture is reset to zero.

Playing on Prince

I have never played BNW at Prince, but I guess I am very surprised that you are facing pressure to switch ideologies at Prince.

So what happens to all those points you accumulated to be able to change in the first place?

It is not points so much as picks. Suppose, for example, you have three tenets in Freedom. After switching, you will have one pick in either Order or Autocracy.

Or maybe my question should be, how can I get the social policy screen to show up?

Click on the usual SP icon at the top of the menu that shows you all the SP policies. From that screen, click the link/button in the ideology table. From that screen at the bottom there may be a red frowning face showing that your citizens are not content. If so, there is a text link with the option to switch ideologies -- or pop-up text saying that you cannot switch because your citizens are content.

Don't switch unless the red number is like 20 or more as you may find yourself in the new ideology, with two fewer tenets, but even more unhappy citizens! You do not need EUI.

 

[Draco84]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you only lose 2 tenets if you were first to found (got 2 for free) otherwise you only lose 1 tenet.

I wasn't aware of the SP points resetting to zero, but changing can be a great decision if you no longer have a use for the current tenet. (built the wonder, collected the 1 time bonus)

 

[reddishrecue]

You lose half of the adopted tenets. Ideological changes depend on unhappiness.

 

[shaglio]

I was under the impression that the only Tenets you lose are the free ones. If you were the first to adopt, you lose 2. If you were the second to adopt, you lose 1. If you were third or later to adopt, you lose none.

Unfortunately, I can't recall where I heard that, so I am unable to site any source other than my memory.

 

[reddishrecue]

Thats what happens to the first people who adopt ideologies. The other half tenet thing only happens when theres a ideology change.

 

[beetle]

I was under the impression that the only Tenets you lose are the free ones.

When BNW first shipped, and for a while after, that was the case. I am not sure when it was changed, but sometime ago the in-game behavior was changed to correctly reflect the what the tool-tip had always said: You loose two tenets (assuming you have two to loose).

 

[Dushku]

There is a loss associated with changing ideologies. You should avoid doing it whenever possible. The easiest way to accomplish this is just to develop some tourism. You should work your guilds anyways for the science they can bring through Rationalism, Secularism, and Free Thought. If you're newer to the game, this video can help explain/demonstrate why tourism is important and how easy it can be: https://youtu.be/HvgyqhmoRCw

 

[Sclb]

You always lose 2 tenets whether they're free or not. Assuming you have at least 2. Also there is usually no good reasons to change unless you have severe unhappiness in the -30 range and would lose cities. If that was really the case, you did something wrong in the first place.

The tourism you can generate when not pursuing CV isn't enough on deity to offset the ideological pressure I'm afraid. You pretty much need Internet and NVC to even get out of dissident on deity. You'll usually get at least dissident at least and sometimes even revolutionary waves if you're not careful. The real big hit is when you're pursuing late DomV and hit revolutionary waves before you finish constructing Prora. Another thing that helps is getting world ideology passed if you have enough votes.

 

[claudiupb]

If you lose 2 tenets, in theory you can get away with switching ideology if you build both wonders, so that can be a strategy even though is not really consistent. For example be the first to Ideologies, pick Freedom and build SoL because it's relatively on the path. Once you have SoL switch to Order (assuming there is an Order civ pressuring you) and if you are second you only lose one tenet and with the free one from SoL you are even. You may even get to build Kremlin so it will be just like going for order in the first place, but now you also have SoL and a friendly Order AI that provides ideology defense for you.

 

[beetle]

If you lose 2 tenets, in theory you can get away with switching ideology if you build both wonders, so that can be a strategy even though is not really consistent.

I have done that, but prolly only on Emperor. I am sure it was opening Order since my preferred tech gets me to railroads pretty quickly and SoL takes me quite a bit longer.

Nowadays on Deity I will build SoL and get the 6 FLs before I consider switching. But I think I am doing better managing tourism. I still cannot hardly ever win by CV, but it is more rare for me to bail from my opening ideology.

 

[Sclb]

Switching ideology for the world wonder is a thing if you want to get all 3 of Prora, Kremlin, and SoL. It's fun way to play but no means optimal since you need to come up with hammers to build. I still haven't encountered a game where switching would be better than not.

 

[beetle]

I still haven't encountered a game where switching would be better than not.

Do you mean as plan from the get go? I have had more than a few games where switching was the least bad option...

Switching ideology for the world wonder is a thing if you want to get all 3 of Prora, Kremlin, and SoL.

Since you have to be under tourism pressure to switch, I don’t see how that could happen twice early enough to get all three wonders.

 

[Sclb]

I meant that my happiness issue is always fixable with some zoos/stadium or bulbing GW for a happiness policy, so there wasn't a point of switching. But it does require your tech rate to be decent enough to win before it becomes a more serious issue. There's really nothing much you can do when an AI with differing ideology is influential with you just because they tech Internet.

Go Freedom first, build SoL, then likely switch to Order for Kremlin since AI loves it. Pass World Ideology Autocracy in WC for Prora since Prora generate happiness, it's best to do last.

 

[vesp3r1987]

I right clicked to dismiss and let some things transpire with the Huns. I'm ready to change now...how can I go about this? Do I have to wait until I get enough points to change again?

Playing on Prince as America.

So glad I'm finally getting a handle on this game. I am so going to steal all of the Incan museum artifacts through thermonuclear warfare.

also playing Prince and ive had only 1 time the need to change ideology, because Bismark brokered his ideology as WI and that made my ppl really unhappy. When changing you will get to choose new traits but you will not be able to fill the ideology tree entirely

 

[beetle]

Go Freedom first, build SoL, then likely switch to Order for Kremlin since AI loves it. Pass World Ideology Autocracy in WC for Prora since Prora generate happiness, it's best to do last.

Nice! I might be able to pull that off at Emperor. I will add to my Civ5 bucket list. AIs beeline flight tech, so that is a bit of a gamble.

I think one could also go Order first with Kremlin (earliest on tech tree). Cross fingers that AIs go Autocracy (at least 60:40 odds I figure, maybe about 70:30). Switch and pass Freedom as WI in WC. Switch again just after building Prora. Teching to unlock SoL before AI should be easy.

But both paths are still something of a gamble, since with the minority ideology as WI -- there might not be sufficient pressure to generate dissidents.

Do you know of some good write-ups with this?