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In real life, who built the Great Wonders?

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by shoguntaka, Jan 2, 2002.

  1. shoguntaka

    shoguntaka Warlord

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    Through a little research, I've came with these.

    Ancients:

    The Colossus - Greece
    The Great Library - Egypt (when conquered by Greek Alexander the Great)
    The Great Lighthouse - Egypt (when conquered by Greek Alexander the Great)
    The Great Wall - China
    The Hanging Garden - Babylonia
    The Oracle - India
    The Pyramids - Egypt

    Medieval:

    Adam Smith's Trading Company - USA
    Copernicus' Observatory - Poland
    JS Bach's Cathederal - Germany
    Leonardo's Workshop - Italy
    Magellan's Great Voyage - Spain
    Sistine Chapel - Italy
    Newton's University - England
    Shakespear's Theatre - England
    Sun Tzu's Art of War - China

    Industrial:

    Hoover Dam - USA
    The United Nation - USA???
    Theory of Evolution - England
    Universal Suffrage - USA

    Modern:

    Cure for Cancer: No one yet
    Longevity: USA or No one yet?
    SETI Programs: USA
    The Manhattan Project: USA


    Do you see any little mistake I might have made?

    ~Shoguntaka
     
  2. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    I always assumed that "The Oracle" was the Oracle at Delphi, who was actually a person, not a building.
     
  3. Shaitan

    Shaitan der Besucher

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    Not sure about Adam Smith's Trading Company. Smith was a Scottish businessman. I don't know where his trading company was headquartered but it may have been in Great Brittain, not USA.
     
  4. Ghengis Brom

    Ghengis Brom Chieftain

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    I believe the temple where the Oracle resided is also refered to as The Oracle, kind of synonomous. Anyway, the Oracle is of Greek origin.

    Also, The Forbidden Palace I think refers to Ankhar-Wat (sp?), an ancient temple complex in Indonesia featured in the movies Kickboxer and Mortal Combat. :smoke:

    I thought a little more about it, maybe someone can clarify this but wasn't the Emperor of Japan's palace called "The Forbidden Palace"?
     
  5. Shaitan

    Shaitan der Besucher

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    The Emperor of China ruled from the Forbidden City. Could that be what you were thinking of?
     
  6. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    That is what I thought.

    I wonder why none of the Great Wonders are Roman. The Circus Maximus or Hadrian's Wall come to mind. Even "The" Colleseum seems like it would fit the mold. For such a large and influential civilization, they seem to have been oddly passed over.
     
  7. Ghengis Brom

    Ghengis Brom Chieftain

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    That's right, I remembered it from the movie "The Last Emperor".
     
  8. Dr. Strangelove

    Dr. Strangelove Chieftain

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    Oh sure, and what sort of benefit would a player get from building the Colleseum? Controlled population loss? Unlimited savagery?
     
  9. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    Actually, I was thinking of an increase in happiness as the benefit for the colleseum, or the Circus Maximus. Bread and Circusses. I guess the only realistic benefit for Hadrian's wall is already taken by the Great Wall, though.

    Of course, you might also be able to use the colleseum to quell resistors.
     
  10. Ghengis Brom

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    I don't think they were passed over, the aquaduct and colloseum were included as city improvements. Besides the Colloseum in Rome the Romans didn't really build any massive cultural icons. The greatness of Rome was the sum of it's parts; buildings, roads, military, aquaducts, and it's political system (The Republic).
     
  11. Salvor

    Salvor Warlord

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    Theory of Evolution might as well be Ecuador.

    And the Sistine Chapel is in Rome, even if it's not part of the Roman Empire.

    One thing about Civ that always struck me is that only 4 of the 7 true Wonders of the World appear as wonders. Those being the Pyramids, Collossus, Hanging Gardens, and Lighthouse. There's no mention of the Temple of Artemis, Tomb of Mauselus, or Statue of Zeus.

    There are no Roman wonders because the list was compiled by ancient Greeks, before the Romans arrived. But many Civ wonders came later, so I don't see why they can't include a couple Roman ones. The Colisseum is a good choice. It could give the happy effects of a colisseum to all cities on the same continent. Or the Pantheon as some kind of Oracle-type wonder. I don't know what else you'd include from the Romans, maybe "Pax Romana" could improve diplomatic relations (although in reality the real Pax Romana was peace through superior firepower). The "Appian Way" could give some kind of road or land-based movement bonus maybe.
     
  12. Candian.Gloworm

    Candian.Gloworm Of The Canadians

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    what about Niagra Falls as a natural wonder for the Iroquios
    (off topic I know)
     
  13. Hobbes

    Hobbes Utilitarian Despot

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    Just a couple of points, I know they are petty, but :

    Leonardo's workshop should be France/Italy, as he was located in France and it was the King of France who was employing him during some of his most productive years (he is buried in France).

    Magellan's Voyage should be Portugal/Spain, as it was the Portuguese that laid all the ground work for the great voyage and Magellan himself was Portuguese. The Spanish footed the bill when the King of Portugal would not.
     
  14. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    I am not sure, but I do not think the US was the first country to grant universal suffrage. I think it might have been Holland.
     
  15. Hobbes

    Hobbes Utilitarian Despot

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    No, I just checked it, New Zeeland granted women the vote in 1893. Wow, the internet can be used for something else other than going to the Civilization fanatics center. :enlighten
     
  16. nklatt

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    Oh my - that's, in a very sick way, funny!
     
  17. Sarcastro

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    Although the US state of Wyoming gave its women that right in 1890, so I suppose it could be argued that the movement made its first major victory in the US (although in smallest part of it, populationwise).

    I'd call this one New Zealand's, with an asterisk for Wyoming.
     
  18. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    Not as sick or as funny as that thread Fayadi started.
     
  19. Richard III

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    I thought it was the Kiwis or the Aussies myself.

    P.S. Adam Smith's Trading Co. always pissed me off.

    Adam was a scot
    The wonder it's talking about should have been "The Royal Exchange," or "The Central Bank of" or something, since the wonder seems to reflect the London Exchange or (more aptly but more esoterically) the Bank of England.

    R.III
     
  20. OneInTen

    OneInTen Darkness bound

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    New Zealand wasn't a country in 1893, it didn't become a country until the early 1900s, and hence should be considered part of Britian at that time. So I think if you're looking for the first country to have universal sufferage, it is Australia, since it became a country before New Zealand.
     

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