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Session Start: Wed May 05 23:30:45 2004
Session Ident: #isdgfamtalks
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[ 23:30:59 ] _[ @Togas ] has anyone chatted with you recently about the ISDG game?
[ 23:31:42 ] _[ @Togas ] We will have Navigation in about 12 turns
[ 23:31:52 ] _[ @Togas ] and we plan on invading GWT 15 turns from now
[ 23:32:05 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'm looking at the turn thread now.
[ 23:32:20 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Donavon is telling us that he spoke with Trip earlier.
[ 23:32:24 ] _[ @Togas ] yep
[ 23:32:27 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I know about the invasion plan.
[ 23:32:31 ] _[ @Togas ] good
[ 23:32:42 ] _[ @Togas ] we'd like to get you guys involved, or if nothing else, help us fund it.
[ 23:33:00 ] _[ @Togas ] we're going to need some heavy upgrades :/
[ 23:33:02 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Wasn't given a time of attack, so that will be useful.
[ 23:33:28 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Donavon sent 60g with the turn, and plans to send more.
[ 23:34:02 ] _[ @Togas ] if feasible, you guys may want to send over 3-4 caravels full of riders
[ 23:34:06 ] _[ @Togas ] raze a city or two, get your GA, pull out
[ 23:34:53 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Not a bad idea.
[ 23:35:17 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I expect we'll have discuss when the best time for our GA is, though.
[ 23:35:31 ] _[ @Togas ] don't want to leave units behind that they can kill and get a new GL. Mostly want to do a lot of damage and get out with little casualties
[ 23:35:32 ] _[ Arnelos ] OctX - I was thinking you guys could land on the northern peninsula of GWT... their forces will be too far way to stop you and you could hopefully get your GA and threaten the GWT core while you're at it.... Once you have your GA, pull out of there so they can't get any Great Leaders.
[ 23:36:07 ] _[ Arnelos ] this is... assuming you guys are interested in your GA
[ 23:36:11 ] _[ Arnelos ] at that time
[ 23:36:51 ] _[ Arnelos ] the problem is... once we do this, GWT is going to pull the bulk of their military into their core... it's a silver bullet. Once we do it, invasions of their main empire will not be possible without massive force.
[ 23:37:23 ] _[ Arnelos ] of course, you guys could still get your GA by invading GCA in the south.
[ 23:37:23 ] _[ @Togas ] so when we hit, we need to do a signifigant amount of damage
[ 23:37:38 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Another thing - if we attack first, we have WW problems. I doubt GWT would be willing to conclude peace anytime soon.
[ 23:38:12 ] _[ Arnelos ] current rules are 5 turns and they won't have Navigation for some time... once we've made our retreat, they'll have to sign peace in 5 turns.
[ 23:38:47 ] _[ Octavian_X ] That's plausible as well.
[ 23:38:57 ] _[ Octavian_X ] God knows we want our revenge.
[ 23:39:41 ] _[ Arnelos ] here's part of the thinking... between our initial landing on one side of their empire and your landing on the other, they won't be sure how much we still have coming and where the bulk of our forces will land, what we're up to, etc.
[ 23:40:16 ] _[ Arnelos ] we're betting that if CGN is still alive, the bulk of their Ansars will still be in the south
[ 23:40:29 ] _[ Arnelos ] part of the reason it's critical to keep CGN alive
[ 23:40:39 ] _[ @Togas ] their lack of information and ability to properly counter us will give us valuable time to destroy as much as possible
[ 23:40:46 ] _[ Arnelos ] yup
[ 23:41:17 ] _[ @Togas ] and if we do enough psychological damage, they'll shift from reconquest mode to pillage and burn mode
[ 23:41:19 ] _[ @Togas ] :b:
[ 23:41:28 ] _[ Arnelos ] precisely
[ 23:41:36 ] _[ Arnelos ] they may think it's the first wave of the killer invasion
[ 23:41:41 ] _[ @Togas ] we must appear stronger and more threatening than we are
[ 23:42:11 ] _[ @Togas ] we should name our beachhead city something that symbolizes an bold and massive invasion
[ 23:42:24 ] _[ Arnelos ] To be frank, the entire assault will not involve enough troops to defeat the GWT army, even between Apolyton and CFC. However, getting GWT to think that it may just be the first wave of a larger assault might get them to turn to scorched earth tactics... that would help.
[ 23:42:44 ] _[ @Togas ] and they have no idea how we've spent the past 40 turns. We could have been building up this entire time
[ 23:42:57 ] _[ @Togas ] just waiting for nav....
[ 23:42:57 ] _[ Arnelos ] actually they do know... we've been building cities like crazy
[ 23:43:07 ] _[ Arnelos ] but now that that's done...
[ 23:43:12 ] _[ @Togas ] but from those cities come horses
[ 23:43:17 ] _[ Arnelos ] true
[ 23:43:43 ] _[ Arnelos ] Octy - you getting all of this?
[ 23:44:06 ] _[ Octavian_X ] It's all getting logged - I was watched Conan O'Brien.
[ 23:45:16 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'm not really sure myself. It's a great idea, but I'm afraid the pyschological aspect will fail.
[ 23:46:29 ] _[ Octavian_X ] It could backfire and provoke a counter-invasion, something I'm not entirely confident we could repel if large enough.
[ 23:46:45 ] _[ @Togas ] they'll invade when they're good and ready
[ 23:47:00 ] _[ @Togas ] this way, we chop back when they'll be ready and hopefully cripple their industry
[ 23:47:08 ] _[ @Togas ] and set back their research
[ 23:48:40 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'll still bring it up, but I'm not entirely sold on it yet.
[ 23:50:09 ] _[ @Togas ] you guys will fare better attacking then than defending against their impending invasion
[ 23:52:35 ] _[ Arnelos ] that's the logic... GWT will invade with every unit they have once they get Navigation
[ 23:53:08 ] _[ Arnelos ] by taking down their economy in this manner (especially knocking out their entire FP core), we both delay the date at which they'll get Navigation and we damage their economic potential for building up the necessary army
[ 23:53:13 ] _[ Octavian_X ] You don't think they'll continue to prosecute the CGN war?
[ 23:53:31 ] _[ Arnelos ] if they do, wonderful
[ 23:53:37 ] _[ @Togas ] if they do, we can continue to burn their cities
[ 23:53:54 ] _[ Arnelos ] precisely
[ 23:54:02 ] _[ Arnelos ] they'll return home... their home cities are more important than what is left of CGN
[ 23:54:10 ] _[ Arnelos ] or, more importantly, what will be left by then
[ 23:59:27 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'm sorry, I just don't have much to add. Big test took a lot out of me today.
Session Time: Thu May 06 00:00:00 2004
[ 00:00:47 ] _[ @Togas ] gotcha
[ 00:01:00 ] _[ @Togas ] just pass it onto the others and have them drop in tomorrow so we can chat some more about it
[ 00:01:05 ] _[ @Togas ] we're planning right now
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[ 23:30:59 ] _[ @Togas ] has anyone chatted with you recently about the ISDG game?
[ 23:31:42 ] _[ @Togas ] We will have Navigation in about 12 turns
[ 23:31:52 ] _[ @Togas ] and we plan on invading GWT 15 turns from now
[ 23:32:05 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'm looking at the turn thread now.
[ 23:32:20 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Donavon is telling us that he spoke with Trip earlier.
[ 23:32:24 ] _[ @Togas ] yep
[ 23:32:27 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I know about the invasion plan.
[ 23:32:31 ] _[ @Togas ] good
[ 23:32:42 ] _[ @Togas ] we'd like to get you guys involved, or if nothing else, help us fund it.
[ 23:33:00 ] _[ @Togas ] we're going to need some heavy upgrades :/
[ 23:33:02 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Wasn't given a time of attack, so that will be useful.
[ 23:33:28 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Donavon sent 60g with the turn, and plans to send more.
[ 23:34:02 ] _[ @Togas ] if feasible, you guys may want to send over 3-4 caravels full of riders
[ 23:34:06 ] _[ @Togas ] raze a city or two, get your GA, pull out
[ 23:34:53 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Not a bad idea.
[ 23:35:17 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I expect we'll have discuss when the best time for our GA is, though.
[ 23:35:31 ] _[ @Togas ] don't want to leave units behind that they can kill and get a new GL. Mostly want to do a lot of damage and get out with little casualties
[ 23:35:32 ] _[ Arnelos ] OctX - I was thinking you guys could land on the northern peninsula of GWT... their forces will be too far way to stop you and you could hopefully get your GA and threaten the GWT core while you're at it.... Once you have your GA, pull out of there so they can't get any Great Leaders.
[ 23:36:07 ] _[ Arnelos ] this is... assuming you guys are interested in your GA
[ 23:36:11 ] _[ Arnelos ] at that time
[ 23:36:51 ] _[ Arnelos ] the problem is... once we do this, GWT is going to pull the bulk of their military into their core... it's a silver bullet. Once we do it, invasions of their main empire will not be possible without massive force.
[ 23:37:23 ] _[ Arnelos ] of course, you guys could still get your GA by invading GCA in the south.
[ 23:37:23 ] _[ @Togas ] so when we hit, we need to do a signifigant amount of damage
[ 23:37:38 ] _[ Octavian_X ] Another thing - if we attack first, we have WW problems. I doubt GWT would be willing to conclude peace anytime soon.
[ 23:38:12 ] _[ Arnelos ] current rules are 5 turns and they won't have Navigation for some time... once we've made our retreat, they'll have to sign peace in 5 turns.
[ 23:38:47 ] _[ Octavian_X ] That's plausible as well.
[ 23:38:57 ] _[ Octavian_X ] God knows we want our revenge.
[ 23:39:41 ] _[ Arnelos ] here's part of the thinking... between our initial landing on one side of their empire and your landing on the other, they won't be sure how much we still have coming and where the bulk of our forces will land, what we're up to, etc.
[ 23:40:16 ] _[ Arnelos ] we're betting that if CGN is still alive, the bulk of their Ansars will still be in the south
[ 23:40:29 ] _[ Arnelos ] part of the reason it's critical to keep CGN alive
[ 23:40:39 ] _[ @Togas ] their lack of information and ability to properly counter us will give us valuable time to destroy as much as possible
[ 23:40:46 ] _[ Arnelos ] yup
[ 23:41:17 ] _[ @Togas ] and if we do enough psychological damage, they'll shift from reconquest mode to pillage and burn mode
[ 23:41:19 ] _[ @Togas ] :b:
[ 23:41:28 ] _[ Arnelos ] precisely
[ 23:41:36 ] _[ Arnelos ] they may think it's the first wave of the killer invasion
[ 23:41:41 ] _[ @Togas ] we must appear stronger and more threatening than we are
[ 23:42:11 ] _[ @Togas ] we should name our beachhead city something that symbolizes an bold and massive invasion
[ 23:42:24 ] _[ Arnelos ] To be frank, the entire assault will not involve enough troops to defeat the GWT army, even between Apolyton and CFC. However, getting GWT to think that it may just be the first wave of a larger assault might get them to turn to scorched earth tactics... that would help.
[ 23:42:44 ] _[ @Togas ] and they have no idea how we've spent the past 40 turns. We could have been building up this entire time
[ 23:42:57 ] _[ @Togas ] just waiting for nav....
[ 23:42:57 ] _[ Arnelos ] actually they do know... we've been building cities like crazy
[ 23:43:07 ] _[ Arnelos ] but now that that's done...
[ 23:43:12 ] _[ @Togas ] but from those cities come horses
[ 23:43:17 ] _[ Arnelos ] true
[ 23:43:43 ] _[ Arnelos ] Octy - you getting all of this?
[ 23:44:06 ] _[ Octavian_X ] It's all getting logged - I was watched Conan O'Brien.
[ 23:45:16 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'm not really sure myself. It's a great idea, but I'm afraid the pyschological aspect will fail.
[ 23:46:29 ] _[ Octavian_X ] It could backfire and provoke a counter-invasion, something I'm not entirely confident we could repel if large enough.
[ 23:46:45 ] _[ @Togas ] they'll invade when they're good and ready
[ 23:47:00 ] _[ @Togas ] this way, we chop back when they'll be ready and hopefully cripple their industry
[ 23:47:08 ] _[ @Togas ] and set back their research
[ 23:48:40 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'll still bring it up, but I'm not entirely sold on it yet.
[ 23:50:09 ] _[ @Togas ] you guys will fare better attacking then than defending against their impending invasion
[ 23:52:35 ] _[ Arnelos ] that's the logic... GWT will invade with every unit they have once they get Navigation
[ 23:53:08 ] _[ Arnelos ] by taking down their economy in this manner (especially knocking out their entire FP core), we both delay the date at which they'll get Navigation and we damage their economic potential for building up the necessary army
[ 23:53:13 ] _[ Octavian_X ] You don't think they'll continue to prosecute the CGN war?
[ 23:53:31 ] _[ Arnelos ] if they do, wonderful
[ 23:53:37 ] _[ @Togas ] if they do, we can continue to burn their cities
[ 23:53:54 ] _[ Arnelos ] precisely
[ 23:54:02 ] _[ Arnelos ] they'll return home... their home cities are more important than what is left of CGN
[ 23:54:10 ] _[ Arnelos ] or, more importantly, what will be left by then
[ 23:59:27 ] _[ Octavian_X ] I'm sorry, I just don't have much to add. Big test took a lot out of me today.
Session Time: Thu May 06 00:00:00 2004
[ 00:00:47 ] _[ @Togas ] gotcha
[ 00:01:00 ] _[ @Togas ] just pass it onto the others and have them drop in tomorrow so we can chat some more about it
[ 00:01:05 ] _[ @Togas ] we're planning right now
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