Is Everyone Having As Much Fun With Preserves As I Am?

[Haig]

I've always wanted to do a game where I try to be as much as natural-lover as possible, use sanctuaries and try not to chop anything.

Maori would be ideal candidate but maybe someone else too like Teddy.

 

[Socrates99]

I've always wanted to do a game where I try to be as much as natural-lover as possible, use sanctuaries and try not to chop anything.

Maori would be ideal candidate but maybe someone else too like Teddy.

Rainforests always kill me when I tr try to do that. I hate the negative appeal on rainforests.

 

[bengalryan9]

Rainforests always kill me when I tr try to do that. I hate the negative appeal on rainforests.

Makes Brazil another good choice - not only do you get appeal from those rainforests, you'll also get science from zoos in your cheap unique districts.

 

[UWHabs]

Rainforests always kill me when I tr try to do that. I hate the negative appeal on rainforests.

Reyna with the nature promotion can counteract the negative rainforest appeal. I've definitely used that if you happen to have a couple rainforest tiles but in an otherwise nice area with forests/mountains/natural wonders, and you can really get some really nice yields from them.

Otherwise, I probably only use preserves in like half my games at most. Often it's just too beneficial to chop and mine, and that just destroys the appeal of an area. Or I might have a decent enough zone, but building your city one back just ruins an otherwise beautiful plan. But when they work, they definitely make some beautiful yield porn.

 

[The Civs 6]

I just haven't gotten them to work great.

 

[Aurelesk]

Makes Brazil another good choice - not only do you get appeal from those rainforests, you'll also get science from zoos in your cheap unique districts.

Well, only rainforest inside your territory are going to go from -1 Appeal to +1 Appeal. A tile adjacent to 5 other rainforest but are not inside Brazil's border has -5 Appeal. Grab the surrounding tiles: it is now a +5 Appeal. This can be quite tricky to put National Parks on rainforests near the edge of your territory: you are still facing the negative Appeal modifier from other rainforests outside your border.

But sure, you could theoretically have National Park of rainforest with Brazil with each tiles being over 30 Appeal. Can you imagine a single National Park yield 120 Tourism? Not including any modifiers! The new TSL Earth map would allows to do this. But my computor will probably overheat to either selfmelting or autocombustion with the new launcher on a big map.

Spoiler Here the Maths :

A rainforest can yield 3 Appeal:

• 1 from Brazil's ability
• 1 from Reyna and her Forestry Management.
• 1 from the Biosphère wonder.

A tile adjacent to 6 rainforests would have 6 × 3 = 18 Appeal. You can go further with:

• River: +1 Appeal
• Eiffel Tower: +2 Appeal
• Golden Gate Bridge: +4 Appeal
• Alvar Aalto with Mausoleum: +1 Appeal, 2 times.
• Charles Correa with Mausoleum: +2 Appeal, 2 times.

• Total: +13 Appeal.

Combine both: it is 31 Appeal.

31 × 4 = 124 Tourism to that perfect National Park (well technically, you could replace 2 adjacents Rainforest by the Cliffs of Dover than have 4 Appeal as adjacency, ending with 127 Tourism).
With Golden Gate Bridge: ×2 Tourism → 248 Tourism.
With "Wish You Were Here" golden age dedication: ×2 Tourism → 496 Tourism (one of the last mulitiplicate and not additive modifiers... when you look how the Tourism from world wonders are treated instead, being multiplication but at each step there are some rounding by default, then adds the -10% Tourism for Technocracy...).

With Computer and Ecologism modifier (+50% total?), I guess we could theoretically have a single National Park reaching 744 Tourism?

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

Yeah, I think the building costs could be reduced. They're garbage without at least a grove.

I guess Aztec with it's builders would be a quick way to build them, especially with Liang and/or Pyramids.

 

[Stilgar08]

I used them occasionally with Australia to buff adjacency bonus for their districts, too. Because of the district count it is worthwhile mid-/lategame if you use it for that.

 

[bengalryan9]

Well, only rainforest inside your territory are going to go from -1 Appeal to +1 Appeal. A tile adjacent to 5 other rainforest but are not inside Brazil's border has -5 Appeal. Grab the surrounding tiles: it is now a +5 Appeal. This can be quite tricky to put National Parks on rainforests near the edge of your territory: you are still facing the negative Appeal modifier from other rainforests outside your border.

But sure, you could theoretically have National Park of rainforest with Brazil with each tiles being over 30 Appeal. Can you imagine a single National Park yield 120 Tourism? Not including any modifiers! The new TSL Earth map would allows to do this. But my computor will probably overheat to either selfmelting or autocombustion with the new launcher on a big map.

Spoiler Here the Maths :

A rainforest can yield 3 Appeal:

• 1 from Brazil's ability
• 1 from Reyna and her Forestry Management.
• 1 from the Biosphère wonder.

A tile adjacent to 6 rainforests would have 6 × 3 = 18 Appeal. You can go further with:

• River: +1 Appeal
• Eiffel Tower: +2 Appeal
• Golden Gate Bridge: +4 Appeal
• Alvar Aalto with Mausoleum: +1 Appeal, 2 times.
• Charles Correa with Mausoleum: +2 Appeal, 2 times.

• Total: +13 Appeal.

Combine both: it is 31 Appeal.

31 × 4 = 124 Tourism to that perfect National Park (well technically, you could replace 2 adjacents Rainforest by the Cliffs of Dover than have 4 Appeal as adjacency, ending with 127 Tourism).
With Golden Gate Bridge: ×2 Tourism → 248 Tourism.
With "Wish You Were Here" golden age dedication: ×2 Tourism → 496 Tourism (one of the last mulitiplicate and not additive modifiers... when you look how the Tourism from world wonders are treated instead, being multiplication but at each step there are some rounding by default, then adds the -10% Tourism for Technocracy...).

With Computer and Ecologism modifier (+50% total?), I guess we could theoretically have a single National Park reaching 744 Tourism?

All of these are fair points. I would just point out that well placed preserves can help grab a lot of those tiles through it's culture bomb, and that can help a lot.

 

[Smity2k1]

I think this thread shows that the preserve is great - it is very situational, which is what makes good Civ features good.

A standard build order and city plan that works everywhere all the time is boring. Situational ("play the map") is best!

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

I am now using the Heroes mode to build the preserves faster using Hercules... it is awesome!!

 

[RickSL]

In my current game I am playing as the Incas. I took Earth Goddess as a pantheon and built preserves around mountain ranges, which are always breathtaking. That makes mountain tiles well worth working, when they are otherwise fairly lackluster.

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

In my current game I am playing as the Incas. I took Earth Goddess as a pantheon and built preserves around mountain ranges, which are always breathtaking. That makes mountain tiles well worth working, when they are otherwise fairly lackluster.

Well played sir!!!

 

[ShakaKhan]

With Secret Societies and choosing Sanguine Pact, I like to create a tile (or two) that is between three cities and surrounded by 6 preserve-boosted tiles and stick a vampire castle in it. Upon discovering Conservation, build/buy 3 sanctuaries in the surrounding cities and remove/replant the vampire castle.

 

[Pietato]

I love them, but only 4 civs can really make proper use of them before conversation (Maori, Inca, Vietnam, murica).

 

[Craig_Sutter]

I love them, but only 4 civs can really make proper use of them before conversation (Maori, Inca, Vietnam, murica).

Canada

 

[Zaarin]

I love them, but only 4 civs can really make proper use of them before conversation (Maori, Inca, Vietnam, murica).

Canada

Russia. Brazil. Situationally Persia (with their appeal-boosting Pairidaeza).

Also any civ with Petra + a workable desert natural wonder like Sahara al-Beyda can get pretty good mileage out of them. Situationally any civ with a workable natural wonder.

 

[Buktu]

I always wanted to try Preserves Gorgo. Early culture from kills means you unlock preserves fast. You will also get to your acropolis very soon which is a cheap appeal boost (and also uses a hill tile which is not going to be a mine).

 

[Pietato]

Russia. Brazil. Situationally Persia (with their appeal-boosting Pairidaeza).

Also any civ with Petra + a workable desert natural wonder like Sahara al-Beyda can get pretty good mileage out of them. Situationally any civ with a workable natural wonder.

Yes, I used them in my Petra city as Khmer, and to boost the Cliffs of Dover. But those are situational, and not what I classify as full usage.

Maybe I have just being spoiled by the Maori, who are my usual civ, and I am expecting too much.

 

[Steamboat Willem]

Canada

And Babylon. Free Grove when you build your first Preserve, which makes the ROI a heck of a lot better.