Is it possible to destroy great wonder by bombard ?

[justanick]

Isn't this simply because the target nation would have needed Metallurgy to get to the Industrial, though?

As i recall it: No. Metallurgy or the Great Wall for the that matter donnot matter for this principle. It does of course work the other way around. Once the industrial age is reached Metallurgy is aquired und thus the effect of the Great Wall does no longer apply. The effect of the small walls does also not apply once city size is reached.

 

[Kirejara]

When I first entcountered this bug, the Byzantines allready had Metallurgy and Military Traditon, when I accidently blowed up their Palace in Constantinopolis.

Interesting Screenshots

So the wall was allready obsolete, but they did not had reached the industrial age.

 

[Puppeteer]

TL;DR: You can destroy great wonders by bombarding a civ with the Great Wall. The wall graphics may not show if city size is >6 (because wall defense combat modifier negated) or if it's the capital (special graphics).

 

[tjs282]

When I first entcountered this bug, the Byzantines allready had Metallurgy and Military Traditon, when I accidently blowed up their Palace in Constantinopolis.

Interesting Screenshots

So the wall was allready obsolete, but they did not had reached the industrial age.

But we're talking about the base game: your screenshot is from your own personal mod, so all bets are off, since we have no idea what settings you might have changed in the Editor. You mentioned that the Palace was unaltered, but that's not where the critical point is.

The critical point is the Wonder-property 'Obsoleted by {TECH=Metallurgy}'. If this checkbox has been deselected (i.e. the Wonder is never obsoleted) or the obsoleting-tech is changed to a later -- perhaps Industrial? -- tech (i.e. one which the Byzzies have not yet reached) for the GWall, then it would still be providing the (free) Walls (as your screenie also shows), and would thus still be subject to the bombardment-bug.

 

[Kirejara]

The critical point is the Wonder-property 'Obsoleted by {TECH=Metallurgy}'. If this checkbox has been deselected (i.e. the Wonder is never obsoleted) or the obsoleting-tech is changed to a later -- perhaps Industrial? -- tech (i.e. one which the Byzzies have not yet reached) for the GWall, then it would still be providing the (free) Walls (as your screenie also shows), and would thus still be subject to the bombardment-bug.

The Great Wall (and most other excisting wonders) are unaltered.

So the Great Wall was long ago obsolete, the I hit Theodora´s Palace.

And I assume that the Byzantines have build a "normal" Wall before they have build the Great Wall, as the KI normally builds everything it can (even Policestations and Courthouses in their capital).

 

[Lanzelot]

tjs282, I think you are mixing up two separate points here:

• The Great Wall bug - the fact that walls given by the Great Wall can be destroyed. (In PtW this even leads to the game crashing... Apparently this has been fixed in C3C.)
• The question, whether Great Wonders can be destroyed.

The second question has nothing to do with walls or the Great Wall in particular. The answer is quite simple: if a nation has not yet reached the Industrial Age, then all its Wonders (including the Great Wall) can be destroyed by bombardment. I have no idea though, how big the probability for this is, or whether the bombard strength of the attacking unit has an influence on this?

(And I think that most of the early posters in this thread were wrong, when they assumed this to be a bug: rather seems to be a feature. Or why would otherwise the "ability of getting destroyed" be lost, once the civ reaches the IA?!)

 

[justanick]

if a nation has not yet reached the Industrial Age, then all its Wonders (including the Great Wall) can be destroyed by bombardment. I have no idea though, how big the probability for this is, or whether the bombard strength of the attacking unit has an influence on this?

The mechanic is problably the same as for destroying regular buildings.