Is Mubarak the Mabus of Nostradamus?

[ParkCungHee]

Pray tell, how is he not wrong?
Over the course of the thread we have conclusively demonstrated Mabus could be either:
1. The Doctor Mabusse films directed by Fritz Lang.
2. The Death of the Tsar
3. and the one that I am forgetting.

A comic book.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I agree that it fits. However you missed this line:

The comet has been used in more then one of Nostradamus' prophecies, all of them signifying the end of the world and/or an event happening in the early 21st century.

In either case your 3 don't fit the prophecy.

Prophecy three certainly resulted in the world being destroyed, and it happened in 1991.

 

[DaveFantastik]

You know, all you had to say was that it wasn't the events that matter, it's the perception of those events that matters, and ditch all of the chakra and energy stuff.

That's because of your advanced mind.

A Zen buddhist would shorten all that text even more, and just say

"mu" !

 

[r16]

"fortunetellers" and such have long been political instruments ...

ı was practically scared of the writings of Nostradamus , back in late 1980s , and can understand the pro faction in this thread . ( Maybe only because the books ı had originated from early 1980's France and "feelings" , if one may say so , had to be soothed , right after the Khomeini taking over Iran and stuff , the barracks bombed in Beirut etc etc . ı was quickly cured out of it by the homework of writing an essay on how would ı have covered up a palace coup involving a Scots guard commander driving a lance into the King's face . It didn't have to follow the actual events but it worked . Have been under the spell for a while , ı can tell it is not ever exactly so .

and the motions do not stop : there are guys in Turkey who are seriously claiming that our international border will soon be near Ankara and we will live happily leading Middle East until 2029 , a non agression pact kinda offered in 2009 and the same guys are also stressing the protection of Britain for the military caste until 2025 , a 10 year grace from 2015 , if they can stay in Afghanistan until then .

such a thread evokes laughter from the laymen , causes the wonder what it is all about in the lunatics and a feeling of nostalgia in the once interested . Is it worth the effort ?

regards from the guy who has a brick thick Nostradamus book but can't find it right now .

 

[holy king]

You are sure about this?

Well, the buddhists believe all the world is in the imagination anyway.

But more to the point. All the heavenly bodies influence humans. The sun and the moon are directly reflected in the human body. The pineal gland in the brain responds to the solar 24hr cycle, secreting melatonin and affecting our sleep/wake consciousness. The pituitary gland below it in the brain responds to the lunar monthly cycle secreting hormones that modulate the sex cycle. Most people are somewhat vaguely aware of these two things. But, most people don't think of it as the SUN and the MOON within us.

Why did antient groups have fertility rites worshiping the moon? Well, they noticed that the moon determined human activity, it sort of predicted when humans would begin to feel frisky and be more prone to certain acts of excitement.

Scientists have dissected the brain, and figured out the connection between the glands, the biochemicals they produce, and the time cycles that link these biological, psychological, and sociological activities to the time cycles of the heavenly bodies of the sun and the moon.

That's as far as science has gotten us, however. But, the antient wize ones claim all the 7 major glands of the human body mirror the 7 major heavenly bodies, affecting our moods, our emotions, our consciousness, and our "imagination." And consequently determining what kind of activity we're likely to engage in "socially" when the planets align. Yeah, I know, we have more planets than 7 today, but in the old days they counted the 7 big objects in the sky they could see.


After a long time noticing human behavior they recorded their observation in a book:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" -- Genesis|1:14

So, the lights up there are for "signs".

We know when the human animal will feel frisky, because we monitor the lunar light and track the number of days from the last full moon.

Of course, we need to know a bit more about the individual, like birthday etc..because each person's lunar clock is out of step with the physical moon by a certain amount determined by that individual's peculiar characteristics. All humans don't come out on full moon like the frogs and frisk about and frolic at the same time. So, the lunar cycle is more hidden within the human species. Most men don't even know they have a cycle, while all women are aware of their loony nature.

Source: http://blog.thirdeyehealth.com/chakra-chart-chakras-versus-endocrine-glands/

Source: http://www.venusbuzz.com/articles_view.php?id=169

The antients called these cycles within us "chakras". A word that means "wheels", like the turning of the cycle, the repeating of events, each chakra is a clock. When the gears of two or more of these internal clocks align, the planets up there align, and special events are "portended." That doesn't mean something definite will happen, just that it is more likely to happen at that time than others.

The comet is just a long cycle. So long that it is even harder to find and observe the hidden link to human behavior. Just think, how many times does the same comet return again and again in a single person's lifetime? Making the connection to the sun and the moon was easy. The rest of the universe will have to wait until mankind advances enough to comprehend the links between the outer world and his inner world of mood, feeling, and imagination.

However, the antients tell us again that comets portend events that are equally rare in the normal course of hunan activity. Nostri's "horrible rout" is one such rare event, scheduled for the 2011 Aug-Sep comet. It doesn't mean it will happen, just that the human beings will be in the mood at that time for the "rout" to materialize. People will feel agitated and desirous of great change. Not only in Egypt. The comet is tugging at their insides. Stirring them up. It's all in their imagination, like you said. But, google, facebook, and twitter, are spreading the imagination of one to the imagination of the many, and the time is ripe for change in the outer world in certain places on earth like Egypt, so a confluence of coincidental events make the conditions ripe for the expression of the right seed in the fertile field.

Lets see what this comet does in Sept.

too bad adults dont have a thymus.
and women no testicles. and men no ovaries.
and there's no endocrine gland on top of our brains.

well, about the thymus, your heart can secrete a tissue hormone, the atrial natriuretic factor. maybe that's what the heart chakra is all about?
it makes your kidney hold back water, so what do i know, maybe the heart chakra is all about not pissing.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

"fortunetellers" and such have long been political instruments ...

ı was practically scared of the writings of Nostradamus , back in late 1980s , and can understand the pro faction in this thread . ( Maybe only because the books ı had originated from early 1980's France and "feelings" , if one may say so , had to be soothed , right after the Khomeini taking over Iran and stuff , the barracks bombed in Beirut etc etc . ı was quickly cured out of it by the homework of writing an essay on how would ı have covered up a palace coup involving a Scots guard commander driving a lance into the King's face . It didn't have to follow the actual events but it worked . Have been under the spell for a while , ı can tell it is not ever exactly so .

and the motions do not stop : there are guys in Turkey who are seriously claiming that our international border will soon be near Ankara and we will live happily leading Middle East until 2029 , a non agression pact kinda offered in 2009 and the same guys are also stressing the protection of Britain for the military caste until 2025 , a 10 year grace from 2015 , if they can stay in Afghanistan until then .

such a thread evokes laughter from the laymen , causes the wonder what it is all about in the lunatics and a feeling of nostalgia in the once interested . Is it worth the effort ?

regards from the guy who has a brick thick Nostradamus book but can't find it right now .

Are you a wizard?

 

[Brian Shanahan]

You are sure about this?

Yes I am. Bad rubbish is bad rubbish.

Lets see what this comet does in Sept.

Hopefully a good show if the cloud cover is right.

Oh and one one point (I kind of gave up with a stupidity overload after reading it). You know that the midwife/doctor who pulled you out of the womb had at least twice the gravitational influence on you at that point than the celestial body with the largest influence? Seeing as any sort of astrology is supposedly based on this phenomenon, shouldn't we have starsigns called "The Black Doctor" or "The hot nurse who's daddy's best friend's younger sister"?

 

[duckstab]

Well, the buddhists believe all the world is in the imagination anyway.

This is not true. We see much of our internal mental state as a construct, and that can include something as elaborate as our concept of the whole world. But we do not deny that there is a physical reality.

 

[DaveFantastik]

Yes I am. Bad rubbish is bad rubbish.

But, how did you get the knowledge to be so sure?

I don't doubt you, just curious about your certainty. What's the source?

Hopefully a good show if the cloud cover is right.

Oh and one one point (I kind of gave up with a stupidity overload after reading it). You know that the midwife/doctor who pulled you out of the womb had at least twice the gravitational influence on you at that point than the celestial body with the largest influence?

That is simply not true. The sun's force on a human baby is so strong that it forces the body of the child towards the center of the solar system, causing it to constantly deviate in its motion so that it circles the sun every 365 days. I've never seen a baby orbit the midwife that delivered it. So, I beg to disagree with your facts there.

I think the point you missed is that the sun is also affecting the midwife, so that to a human observer standing near to the midwife during delivery, it appears that the midwife's influence is greater. This is generally how the influence of the planets gets hidden. The heavenly bodies affect all of us together as well as individually, so that it takes some careful observation and contemplation to separate out a planet's influence on a particular individual or group.

Seeing as any sort of astrology is supposedly based on this phenomenon, shouldn't we have starsigns

Starsigns, houses, planets, etc..are just maps to record the various cycles. It's like how the chemists arrange the elements into a periodic table with columns and rows. It's just a map to remember the order of the universe, from which predictions can be made.

 

[DaveFantastik]

This is not true. We see much of our internal mental state as a construct, and that can include something as elaborate as our concept of the whole world. But we do not deny that there is a physical reality.

There's no separation between physical reality and mind in buddhism.

There's no ego. No "I". No me and you. This is all false thinking. Errors due to delusion.

 

[Lord Baal]

There's no separation between physical reality and mind in buddhism.

There's no ego. No "I". No me and you. This is all false thinking. Errors due to delusion.

Sounds like a good description of Buddhism to me.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

But, how did you get the knowledge to be so sure?

I don't doubt you, just curious about your certainty. What's the source?

The whole body of science, in fact from reading your whole post, the whole body of science wants to tracky you down and give your rear end a good kicking right now.

That is simply not true. The sun's force on a human baby is so strong that it forces the body of the child towards the center of the solar system, causing it to constantly deviate in its motion so that it circles the sun every 365 days. I've never seen a baby orbit the midwife that delivered it. So, I beg to disagree with your facts there.

What you are describing is the gravitational effect the Earth has on a body, it has nothing to do with the Sun. Please, please actually think before you write, because looking at this is making me stupid.

I think the point you missed is that the sun is also affecting the midwife, so that to a human observer standing near to the midwife during delivery, it appears that the midwife's influence is greater. This is generally how the influence of the planets gets hidden. The heavenly bodies affect all of us together as well as individually, so that it takes some careful observation and contemplation to separate out a planet's influence on a particular individual or group.

And you totally missed my point, if the influence of one body is greater than any other, why doesn't astrology (or any other nonsense which uses this non-explanation) not take that body into account? Because it is complete and utter BALDERDASH! And I am being extremely charitable in calling it that.

Starsigns, houses, planets, etc..are just maps to record the various cycles. It's like how the chemists arrange the elements into a periodic table with columns and rows. It's just a map to remember the order of the universe, from which predictions can be made.

Comparing astrological tables with the periodic table of elements. Please excuse me while I go off and commit suicide with this nerf gun.

<2 hours pass>

Well I'm back. Seriously you expect me to allow you to equate a made-up grouping of constellations which only appear to us as constellations because we see in 2D with a proven and accurate system for grouping the basic elements of which we are all made.

For this I need the big guns:

Seriously man, that is like comparing The Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies with La Gioconda. One was da Vinci's masterpiece and probably greatest painting ever (though I prefer The Company of Frans Banning Coc myself), and the other is a fictional painting used as the MacGuffin in the very funny BBC comedy 'Allo 'Allo.


In case you were wondering Mendeleev's table is La Gioconda.

 

[DaveFantastik]

The whole body of science, in fact from reading your whole post, the whole body of science wants to tracky you down and give your rear end a good kicking right now.

But, but..but...science makes very limited claims. Scientists know that there are things they don't know. That's why scientific research is an ongoing activity. If science had all the answers already, there would be no need for further research. In fact, science is just theory. And every now and then, an old scientific theory is found to be wrong, or incomplete, and is replaced by a new or better theory.

What you are describing is the gravitational effect the Earth has on a body, it has nothing to do with the Sun. Please, please actually think before you write, because looking at this is making me stupid.

Er...hmmm....this is interesting...I thought the sun exerted the gravitational effect that caused bodies to make that 365 day circle about it. I could be wrong. After all, like I said, scientists are often wrong in their theories. In the old days, the planets all circled the Earth. But, modern science claims all planets circle the Sun. Which theory are you referring to?

And you totally missed my point, if the influence of one body is greater than any other, why doesn't astrology .....not take that body into account?

I don't know what you're getting at here. I simply said the sun had greater influence than the midwife. In fact, I can't even remember who my midwife was. But, the sun I know, the sun is hard to forget.

Comparing astrological tables with the periodic table of elements. Please excuse me
Well I'm back..

You're excused.

 

[r16]

Are you a wizard?

don't get the spesific connotation , but &#305; am one aware that it is supposed the so called missing quatrains , 54 if &#305; am not mistaken , were kept apart from the book to keep " the secrets" safe from the "fools" , who have their own quatrain if &#305; remember correctly . And whenever the really interested fail to solve the future using the prophecies or fall widely off the mark , the lack of those are blamed . Nostradamus never fails as what he wrote is so elastic , when the situation demands one line can refer to 1350 and the next to 2750 . And if required they can be shown to be actually simultaneous ...

 

[Brian Shanahan]

But, but..but...science makes very limited claims. Scientists know that there are things they don't know. That's why scientific research is an ongoing activity. If science had all the answers already, there would be no need for further research. In fact, science is just theory. And every now and then, an old scientific theory is found to be wrong, or incomplete, and is replaced by a new or better theory.

And that is why I say science is valid and all these pseudo-theories to be bunkum. And calling science "just a theory" is giving it the biggest complement ever. Do you know how much effort goes into something becoming "just a theory". First you have hypothesis generation, then you have data collection and experimentation, then you have repetition (as a non-repeatable phenomena or experiment invalidates a hypothesis), then you have write-up, then you have challenge and alternative hypotheses, and only finally when all of those are dealt with (the most exhaustive process known to man) does your hypothesis become a theory. And the best bit, it leaves the whole process open for someone to come along with new data, hypotheses, etc. which better explain the phenomena and give us a more accurate view of the universe.

How the likes of astrology go:
"X will happen on 12/03/2108. I see it in the tea-leaves."
"Where's your data?"
"Tea-leaves"
"But how do you read the data?"
"Tea-leaves"
"But there is no data?"
"Tea-leaves"
"But your whole process cannot be repeated. How do you know you're right?"
"Tea-leaves"
"But you are postulating an invalid hypotheis."
"Tea-leaves. And it's not a hypothesis, I'm right, dammit!"
"But you've no evidence"
"Tea-leaves"
"Aaaaargh, my brain is melting from the highly concentrated stupidity. Wurble, wurble, wurble, gleeeeep."

You see which process is better now?

Er...hmmm....this is interesting...I thought the sun exerted the gravitational effect that caused bodies to make that 365 day circle about it. I could be wrong. After all, like I said, scientists are often wrong in their theories. In the old days, the planets all circled the Earth. But, modern science claims all planets circle the Sun. Which theory are you referring to?

But people don't orbit the sun, they inhabit the planets and don't orbit the sun. This is basic Newtonian Physics here, we don't even have to reference Relativity. And also the planets never circled the Earth, it is just a number of unscientific and credulous minds (e.g. Astrologers) believed that they did. And even back then there were quite a number of people who had their doubts. But once we got suffficiently accurate instruments (thanks Anatoni van Leeuwenhoek) we were able to prove a heliocentric solar system. Slightly later a man (Newton) devised the inverse square law to show how all this came about, and a nice bit later another man (Einstein) came along and gave us Relativity which gave us a more accurate and complete explanation.

And the bit I bolded, that is the whole point of science. Scientists are often wrong, and make no apology for it. But the beauty of science is that you don't rest on your laurels, that you don't think that ay you've now got an explanation that it is the right one and the debate is over. The fact is that science is a continuous process which never lets up and is always in search of a better explanation, a more accurate theory, a stronger reason and is all the better for it.

I don't know what you're getting at here. I simply said the sun had greater influence than the midwife. In fact, I can't even remember who my midwife was. But, the sun I know, the sun is hard to forget.

So is Qin Shi Huang and as an Irishman who has never interacted with a First Dynasty Chinese person, I can safely say that he has had absolutely 0 influence on me. Likewise with John Lennon, or Mozart or Shakespeare. Unforgettable =/= influence. And unless you grasp that point you'll never understand mine.

 

[Rashiminos]

Can this thread at least accept that it is better to twist theories to fit facts than it is to twist facts to fit theories?

Anyway why should we let the random gibberish of a madman decide what happens with the world, aren't we better than that?

We let madmen run the world economy... I have my doubts.

Spoiler :

We do orbit the sun, like the baby and the mid-wife. Someone with any sort of physical knowledge should understand why that is....

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Can this thread at least accept that it is better to twist theories to fit facts than it is to twist facts to fit theories?



We let madmen run the world economy... I have my doubts.

True that. Oh, curses! To be foiled by the eternal stupidity of human-kind. I will have my revenge!

Spoiler :

We do orbit the sun, like the baby and the mid-wife. Someone with any sort of physical knowledge should understand why that is....

Actually we don't, no more than the moon does. The body of matter upon which we exist, the Earth, orbits the sun. Only for the fact the gravity well is too high for us to escape the surface (without power) stops us from orbiting the Earth. But as long as there is a planet then we're not orbiting the Sun, and if the planet weren't there there'd be no us to orbit.

 

[Ataxerxes]

I wish to thank Brian Shanahan for being the great straight man on this thread!

Nothing in humor and jokes has risen to the level of this thread.

 

[Rashiminos]

Actually we don't, no more than the moon does. The body of matter upon which we exist, the Earth, orbits the sun. Only for the fact the gravity well is too high for us to escape the surface (without power) stops us from orbiting the Earth. But as long as there is a planet then we're not orbiting the Sun, and if the planet weren't there there'd be no us to orbit.

Thanks, Dave.

The baby is on the Earth, right?, and essentially part of the Earth's mass, right?

Spoiler :

With your reasoning, you would also imply the astronauts in the space station are not orbiting the Earth.

 

[Midnight-Blue766]

You are sure about this?

Well, the buddhists believe all the world is in the imagination anyway.

But more to the point. All the heavenly bodies influence humans. The sun and the moon are directly reflected in the human body. The pineal gland in the brain responds to the solar 24hr cycle, secreting melatonin and affecting our sleep/wake consciousness. The pituitary gland below it in the brain responds to the lunar monthly cycle secreting hormones that modulate the sex cycle. Most people are somewhat vaguely aware of these two things. But, most people don't think of it as the SUN and the MOON within us.

Why did antient groups have fertility rites worshiping the moon? Well, they noticed that the moon determined human activity, it sort of predicted when humans would begin to feel frisky and be more prone to certain acts of excitement.

Scientists have dissected the brain, and figured out the connection between the glands, the biochemicals they produce, and the time cycles that link these biological, psychological, and sociological activities to the time cycles of the heavenly bodies of the sun and the moon.

That's as far as science has gotten us, however. But, the antient wize ones claim all the 7 major glands of the human body mirror the 7 major heavenly bodies, affecting our moods, our emotions, our consciousness, and our "imagination." And consequently determining what kind of activity we're likely to engage in "socially" when the planets align. Yeah, I know, we have more planets than 7 today, but in the old days they counted the 7 big objects in the sky they could see.


After a long time noticing human behavior they recorded their observation in a book:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" -- Genesis|1:14

So, the lights up there are for "signs".

We know when the human animal will feel frisky, because we monitor the lunar light and track the number of days from the last full moon.

Of course, we need to know a bit more about the individual, like birthday etc..because each person's lunar clock is out of step with the physical moon by a certain amount determined by that individual's peculiar characteristics. All humans don't come out on full moon like the frogs and frisk about and frolic at the same time. So, the lunar cycle is more hidden within the human species. Most men don't even know they have a cycle, while all women are aware of their loony nature.

Source: http://blog.thirdeyehealth.com/chakra-chart-chakras-versus-endocrine-glands/

Source: http://www.venusbuzz.com/articles_view.php?id=169

The antients called these cycles within us "chakras". A word that means "wheels", like the turning of the cycle, the repeating of events, each chakra is a clock. When the gears of two or more of these internal clocks align, the planets up there align, and special events are "portended." That doesn't mean something definite will happen, just that it is more likely to happen at that time than others.

The comet is just a long cycle. So long that it is even harder to find and observe the hidden link to human behavior. Just think, how many times does the same comet return again and again in a single person's lifetime? Making the connection to the sun and the moon was easy. The rest of the universe will have to wait until mankind advances enough to comprehend the links between the outer world and his inner world of mood, feeling, and imagination.

However, the antients tell us again that comets portend events that are equally rare in the normal course of hunan activity. Nostri's "horrible rout" is one such rare event, scheduled for the 2011 Aug-Sep comet. It doesn't mean it will happen, just that the human beings will be in the mood at that time for the "rout" to materialize. People will feel agitated and desirous of great change. Not only in Egypt. The comet is tugging at their insides. Stirring them up. It's all in their imagination, like you said. But, google, facebook, and twitter, are spreading the imagination of one to the imagination of the many, and the time is ripe for change in the outer world in certain places on earth like Egypt, so a confluence of coincidental events make the conditions ripe for the expression of the right seed in the fertile field.

Lets see what this comet does in Sept.

These solar cycles are a response to light-and-dark cycles in our environment. The lunar cycle and mensturation is in fact a coincidence: the menstural cycles in animals other than humans can vary from 5-35 days.

Although I am not an authority on either Hinduism or chakras, I must ask myself: how do we know that these chakras aligning and the aligning of the planets are just a coincidence? Would people on a planet on the other side of the galaxy experience different cycles?

Also, can you please provide concrete evidence for the comet influencing our lives? Can you please explain how the comet is influencing us? If I destroyed the comet tommorrow, would this supposed feeling of agitation end and the rout averted? In all likeliness, you are just looking for patterns where there are not.