Is religious dialogue scaled by citizen converted?

[danaphanous]

I'm trying to understand interfaith dialogue for a new religion I'm tailoring. I've already decided I don't want anything that gives my faith strong pressure bc I want to have nearby targets for my missionaries. I also will shoot for mosque of jenne to increase uses by 1 on my missionaries.

However, I need to know how the belief calculates the science yield before I pick my reformation belief. If it is constant then I don't want evangelism. If the science yield is based on number of citizens converted then I know from experience evangelism will at least double the citizens converted every use if not more. This would make ID very powerful. So how is the yield calculated? Is it also scaled by era? Can I get more science by picking all the beliefs which buff missionaries or is it a flat effect regardless of missionary strength? The answer to these questions will either result in me massively buffing my missionaries or making them as weak as possible per use--aka attacking really strong cities that I'll never convert for a repeated science-garnering process. Obviously the latter is far easier, but I don't want to be wasting their potential if it really does scale by "success"

thanks in advance.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

As far as I know it's actually a pretty tiny boost, but you also get that boost if OTHER civs use missionaries to conver OTHER religions to yours. so there's that.

 

[danaphanous]

oh, did not know that. So maybe you'd want a follower belief that they'd like then and make a couple neighbors your religion and then leave one that you'd send your missionaries too. In my experience AI don't ever make my missionaries though, so I'm not sure how big that effect will be.

 

[Halcyan2]

As far as I know it's actually a pretty tiny boost, but you also get that boost if OTHER civs use missionaries to conver OTHER religions to yours. so there's that.

I don't think I have ever seen any AI's actively spread a religion that they themselves did not found.

 

[Browd]

Interfaith Dialogue is 10 beakers per follower of other religions in the city, so long as the city has a majority religion that is not your religion.

It has nothing to do with the number of citizens converted. For optimal effect, you don't want to convert any followers to your religion - just camp ID missionaries next to another holy city (with open borders) and use spread operations to generate beakers.

 

[Halcyan2]

Interfaith Dialogue is 10 beakers per follower of other religions in the city, so long as the city has a majority religion that is not your religion.

It has nothing to do with the number of citizens converted. For optimal effect, you don't want to convert any followers to your religion - just camp ID missionaries next to another holy city (with open borders) and use spread operations to generate beakers.

With Interfaith Dialogue, it is GREAT if you capture an enemy Prophet. Just find a huge city, and use it as a science base (Prophet spreads religion. Use lots of missionaries to convert faith into science. Repeat).

 

[Browd]

That is a right clever suggestion!

 

[danaphanous]

nice, okay, so it does sort of scale with time, but only bc numbers of citizen go up then. So you could actually garner 300 per spread if you were spreading to a 30-pop city with all other religions? That's actually quite a lot...

If that is the case I know what I'm gonna do with my new religion combo then. thanks so much Browd!

 

[Halcyan2]

nice, okay, so it does sort of scale with time, but only bc numbers of citizen go up then. So you could actually garner 300 per spread if you were spreading to a 30-pop city with all other religions? That's actually quite a lot...

If that is the case I know what I'm gonna do with my new religion combo then. thanks so much Browd!

The amount goes up over time due to larger cities and more followers of a religion.

But that is sharply counterbalanced by the increased cost of missionaries over time (as you progress through eras).

With Interfaith Dialogue, I find the best use of them is earlier eras. Especially once you hit Industrial (or mid-Renaissance in preparation for Industrial), you might be better off saving faith for a Great Person.

Great Mosque of Djenne is really helpful. Borobudur is nice too.

 

[EriktheRead]

So at where does the balance lie between buying and saving early missionaries and buying great scientists? Someone should write a research paper...