Is the Bush Administration too Pro-Isreal?

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An interesting slant on why NOT to go to war, from none other than Pat Buchanen. I shouldn't even have to ask, but please refrain from anti-Semitic comments, they have no bearing on this discussion.

By the way, this is not the full text of the article - you have to buy the magazine for that :rolleyes:

Whose War?

A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.

by Patrick J. Buchanan


The War Party may have gotten its war. But it has also gotten something it did not bargain for. Its membership lists and associations have been exposed and its motives challenged. In a rare moment in U.S. journalism, Tim Russert put this question directly to Richard Perle: “Can you assure American viewers ... that we’re in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?”

Suddenly, the Israeli connection is on the table, and the War Party is not amused. Finding themselves in an unanticipated firefight, our neoconservative friends are doing what comes naturally, seeking student deferments from political combat by claiming the status of a persecuted minority group. People who claim to be writing the foreign policy of the world superpower, one would think, would be a little more manly in the schoolyard of politics. Not so.

Former Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot kicked off the campaign. When these “Buchananites toss around ‘neoconservative’—and cite names like Wolfowitz and Cohen—it sometimes sounds as if what they really mean is ‘Jewish conservative.’” Yet Boot readily concedes that a passionate attachment to Israel is a “key tenet of neoconservatism.” He also claims that the National Security Strategy of President Bush “sounds as if it could have come straight out from the pages of Commentary magazine, the neocon bible.” (For the uninitiated, Commentary, the bible in which Boot seeks divine guidance, is the monthly of the American Jewish Committee.)

David Brooks of the Weekly Standard wails that attacks based on the Israel tie have put him through personal hell: “Now I get a steady stream of anti-Semitic screeds in my e-mail, my voicemail and in my mailbox. ... Anti-Semitism is alive and thriving. It’s just that its epicenter is no longer on the Buchananite Right, but on the peace-movement left.”

Washington Post columnist Robert Kagan endures his own purgatory abroad: “In London ... one finds Britain’s finest minds propounding, in sophisticated language and melodious Oxbridge accents, the conspiracy theories of Pat Buchanan concerning the ‘neoconservative’ (read: Jewish) hijacking of American foreign policy.”

Lawrence Kaplan of the New Republic charges that our little magazine “has been transformed into a forum for those who contend that President Bush has become a client of ... Ariel Sharon and the ‘neoconservative war party.’”

Referencing Charles Lindbergh, he accuses Paul Schroeder, Chris Matthews, Robert Novak, Georgie Anne Geyer, Jason Vest of the Nation, and Gary Hart of implying that “members of the Bush team have been doing Israel’s bidding and, by extension, exhibiting ‘dual loyalties.’” Kaplan thunders:

The real problem with such claims is not just that they are untrue. The problem is that they are toxic. Invoking the specter of dual loyalty to mute criticism and debate amounts to more than the everyday pollution of public discourse. It is the nullification of public discourse, for how can one refute accusations grounded in ethnicity? The charges are, ipso facto, impossible to disprove. And so they are meant to be.

What is going on here? Slate’s Mickey Kaus nails it in the headline of his retort: “Lawrence Kaplan Plays the Anti-Semitic Card.”

What Kaplan, Brooks, Boot, and Kagan are doing is what the Rev. Jesse Jackson does when caught with some mammoth contribution from a Fortune 500 company he has lately accused of discriminating. He plays the race card. So, too, the neoconservatives are trying to fend off critics by assassinating their character and impugning their motives.

Indeed, it is the charge of “anti-Semitism” itself that is toxic. For this venerable slander is designed to nullify public discourse by smearing and intimidating foes and censoring and blacklisting them and any who would publish them. Neocons say we attack them because they are Jewish. We do not. We attack them because their warmongering threatens our country, even as it finds a reliable echo in Ariel Sharon.

And this time the boys have cried “wolf” once too often. It is not working. As Kaus notes, Kaplan’s own New Republic carries Harvard professor Stanley Hoffman. In writing of the four power centers in this capital that are clamoring for war, Hoffman himself describes the fourth thus:

And, finally, there is a loose collection of friends of Israel, who believe in the identity of interests between the Jewish state and the United States. … These analysts look on foreign policy through the lens of one dominant concern: Is it good or bad for Israel? Since that nation’s founding in 1948, these thinkers have never been in very good odor at the State Department, but now they are well ensconced in the Pentagon, around such strategists as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

“If Stanley Hoffman can say this,” asks Kaus, “why can’t Chris Matthews?” Kaus also notes that Kaplan somehow failed to mention the most devastating piece tying the neoconservatives to Sharon and his Likud Party.

In a Feb. 9 front-page article in the Washington Post, Robert Kaiser quotes a senior U.S. official as saying, “The Likudniks are really in charge now.” Kaiser names Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith as members of a pro-Israel network inside the administration and adds David Wurmser of the Defense Department and Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council. (Abrams is the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, editor emeritus of Commentary, whose magazine has for decades branded critics of Israel as anti-Semites.)

Noting that Sharon repeatedly claims a “special closeness” to the Bu****es, Kaiser writes, “For the first time a U.S. administration and a Likud government are pursuing nearly identical policies.” And a valid question is: how did this come to be, and while it is surely in Sharon’s interest, is it in America’s interest?

This is a time for truth. For America is about to make a momentous decision: whether to launch a series of wars in the Middle East that could ignite the Clash of Civilizations against which Harvard professor Samuel Huntington has warned, a war we believe would be a tragedy and a disaster for this Republic. To avert this war, to answer the neocon smears, we ask that our readers review their agenda as stated in their words. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. As Al Smith used to say, “Nothing un-American can live in the sunlight.”

We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords. We charge them with deliberately damaging U.S. relations with every state in the Arab world that defies Israel or supports the Palestinian people’s right to a homeland of their own. We charge that they have alienated friends and allies all over the Islamic and Western world through their arrogance, hubris, and bellicosity.

Not in our lifetimes has America been so isolated from old friends. Far worse, President Bush is being lured into a trap baited for him by these neocons that could cost him his office and cause America to forfeit years of peace won for us by the sacrifices of two generations in the Cold War.

They charge us with anti-Semitism—i.e., a hatred of Jews for their faith, heritage, or ancestry. False. The truth is, those hurling these charges harbor a “passionate attachment” to a nation not our own that causes them to subordinate the interests of their own country and to act on an assumption that, somehow, what’s good for Israel is good for America. …
 
Israel is like US's little pet running around biting people, its owner, the US, refuse to rein its pet properly.

muslims are furious at that
 
Israel has survived for 19 years and won three wars without any US aid and with the US working against it, thank you very much. And Israel does what it wants. We aren't anyones pet.
 
cheers :beer:
It was a positive comment ( mine that is ).
And it's not because u won 3 wars that u're invincible.
Believe, the US are your only ally and without it Sharon wouldn't be so confident.
 
Originally posted by G-Man
Israel has survived for 19 years and won three wars without any US aid and with the US working against it, thank you very much. And Israel does what it wants. We aren't anyones pet.


how about years of US financial, military and technological aid?

do u know how much monie/financial aid did US pour into Isreal economy?
do u know how much military high tech equipments did US transfer to Isreal ( for Isreal security)? including the Arrow ( if i remember the name correctly)

do u know how many times did US veto in UN to prevent Isreal punishing resolutions from being passed?

do u know how much monie did US Jews donated to or invested in Isreal?

all these aids are open secrets

All the above is million tons of aid ;)
 
Originally posted by G-Man
Israel has survived for 19 years and won three wars without any US aid and with the US working against it, thank you very much. And Israel does what it wants. We aren't anyones pet.

Agreed. Before the '67 war America wasn't all that favorable to Israel, and after there was still a lot sympathy for the Palestinean cause. Much of that sympathy eroded with every increase in suicide bombings, and I know a lot of people who did a complete about face on the issue after 9/11. My own view now includes much more stringent conditions for Palestinean independence then it did before.
 
Originally posted by D' Artagnan
cheers :beer:
It was a positive comment ( mine that is ).
And it's not because u won 3 wars that u're invincible.
Believe, the US are your only ally and without it Sharon wouldn't be so confident.

The US is important to Israel, but has Israel has showen it can survive without US aid.
 
Originally posted by redhulkz
how about years of US financial, military and technological aid?

Which nearly of them were money that can be used to buy things from the US


do u know how much monie/financial aid did US pour into Isreal economy?

Not that much.

do u know how much military high tech equipments did US transfer to Isreal ( for Isreal security)? including the Arrow ( if i remember the name correctly)


The US usually sells Israel only the platforms and Israel puts it's componenets. Also, don't forget Israel gave up developing it's own planes because of US pressure. And the arrow was developed by Israel and the Americans payed for it after their war with Iraq caused Israel to be hurt.


do u know how many times did US veto in UN to prevent Isreal punishing resolutions from being passed?


Oh, I greatly fear the power of the UN. They might declare our country as ilegitimate... Oh, wait, they did it anyway!


do u know how much monie did US Jews donated to or invested in Isreal?


The US goevrment has nothing to do with this.

All the above is million tons of aid ;)

Giving a lot of money doesn't mean much when the one you're giving it to has to give it all back to you...
 
Originally posted by G-Man


The US is important to Israel, but has Israel has showen it can survive without US aid.

I would love to see them trying that now. We need all of the money we can get to help convince Turkey, rebuild Iraq, replace the weapons we are going to use up fighting Iraq, oh, and some people have the crazy idea American money should go to improving conditions in America. :crazyeye: Maybe you could get more help from France, as I recall they helped you go nuclear.
 
First of all Pat is at least an equal opporunity bigot. He is equal anti-semitic and anti-muslim. However he cares to express himself, it is freedom of speech and he is entitled to his opinion.

On the US support for Israel, I would only make a few comments.

First, the US has given a lot of money to Israel and we have gotten a lot in return. What other nation would have held its hand when Saddam was firing missiles into its poppulation centers? Yes, a lot of the money is grants that have to be spent on American goods, but why not? Why should we give any country foreign aid that would allow them to turn around and buy stuff from another country. That type of aid helps both parties.

Second, we also make rather large donations to other countries like Jordon and Egypt and we get a lot less back for our money.

While I think Israel probably has no better ally today than the US, you could also say that the US has no better ally in that region than Israel. You notice that there was never any questions about US overflight rights in Israel. Jordon, yes. Saudi Ararbia, yes.

While Israel is strongly independant and rightfully so, they are literally up against the wall, they are important to the US position and they are the oldest and most successful democratically elected government in the region.
 
Also, American aid is given in order for the Israelis to buy american hardware and supplies. They're not aiding us with loose money, they're lending us the money we need to buy from the gear, essentially pouring millions if not billions of dollars into the US' own economy through the backdoor.

Anyone who doesn't understand foreign aid is given in order to stimulate one's own economy probably doesn't understand how foreign aid is given at all. It isn't a 3 billion dollar check, it's 3 billion dollars worth of military, medical and civilians supplies and hardware which are manufactured by american facilites and sold to Israel in a reduced price, meaning you give us 3 billion dollars, we buy 3 billion dollars worth of stuff and you've got 3 billion dollars worth of of jobs and employemnt opportunities, all for the same 3 billion instead of using 9 billion which is what many people figure is actually going out.
 
Also, American aid is given in order for the Israelis to buy american hardware and supplies. They're not aiding us with loose money, they're lending us the money we need to buy from the gear, essentially pouring millions if not billions of dollars into the US' own economy through the backdoor.

Correct, but eventually it has the same effect, since financial resources get "freed" for other uses.
 
US support Israel because its the only friendly place the US has in the ME.
I dont think US does it because for the great love they feel for the israeli people.
Israel is as useful to the US as Cuba was for the Sovien Union IMO
 
I don't completely agree with anything you have said there Zcylen (sorry...).

-"The only friendly place"; what about Qatar where our Iraq attack would be based out of? Or Kuwait where ground troops will go in from? Or Turkey our NATO Ally who have let us attack Iraq from their soil for over a decade now? Or the untouchables of Saudi Arabia? In fact, very little if any of our Middle East peace Monsters of Peacekeeping Tour is based out of Israel.

-love for the israeli people: you bet we do. There is a perceived common religious heritage, and in the past decade it is only a very small sliver of the conservative right wing that retains an Anti Semetic disposition. Most importantly, the Israelis are the only completely "scrutable" Middle Easterners- ie living their lives in ways that the average American completely understands.

- Your last analogy isn't quite close, one because Cuba has always housed a very useful US military base while the Soviet attempt to rebase there was denied. To the Soviets, Cuba was merely their one legitimate tropical island travel destination. To us, Israel is technically more of a liability than a useful asset for now, though all sides hope that can change.
 
Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
In fact, very little if any of our Middle East peace Monsters of Peacekeeping Tour is based out of Israel.


Isn't Linkin Park headlining that tour?
 
Buchanan has, for quite a while, been an advocate of isolationist policies, which have pretty much been possible to sustain our quality of life with.
 
Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
I don't completely agree with anything you have said there Zcylen (sorry...).

no need to apoligize :cool:


:)
 
People here tend to identify me with conservatives. May be, but Pat Buchanon scares the scheist out of me. If he had his way the only people crossing our borders would be the border enforcement patrols. No one in and no one out. Sounds rather llike a prison if you asked me.

J
 
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