If the AI was as smart as we are, this game would be insanely hard on the higher levels.
Is "The Republic" worthless?
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If the AI was as smart as we are, this game would be insanely hard on the higher levels.
Peteus
All good things...
If the AI were as smart as we are, we wouldn't need the higher levels! Unless we were feeling masochistic, I guess... 
I think the AI uses Democracy instead of Republic for the same reason I do - it's an improved version of the same thing. But it can be a long while from the time you get Republic to the time Democracy becomes available!
I think the AI uses Democracy instead of Republic for the same reason I do - it's an improved version of the same thing. But it can be a long while from the time you get Republic to the time Democracy becomes available!
Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
I think the AI has been programmed to recognize that Democracy is the highest form of govt. in Civ3. It knows it has to get out of despotism at some point so most of the time it moves to monarchy. Remember that monarchy gives you the hanging gardens and you know how much the AI loves to build wonders! Since the AI's wonder seeking science path took it to monarchy he usually then switches govts.
Now since democracy appears on the tech tree way before communism does and since the AI recognizes that democracy is a desireable govt. it makes the switch. If you look at the tech tree you will notice that there are no wonders, units, or improvements to be gained from researching republic. This is probably why the AI doesn't go this route much. But we the intelligent human.....that's a different story.
My 2 cents
Now since democracy appears on the tech tree way before communism does and since the AI recognizes that democracy is a desireable govt. it makes the switch. If you look at the tech tree you will notice that there are no wonders, units, or improvements to be gained from researching republic. This is probably why the AI doesn't go this route much. But we the intelligent human.....that's a different story.
My 2 cents
ReallyNiceGuy
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The AI in Civ2 also used Democracy but that was surely not the best choice of governments.
That's pretty much what I did, except I went Republic instead of Democracy. I find Democracy to be too inflexible, and they are only marginally better than Republic in terms of generating money and tech. So what if Democratic cities manage waste and corruption just a little better than they would in Republic, would that translate into number of turns saved where it mattered? Is it going to make up for the 3 extra turns of anarchy and late arrival of Democracy? That's hard to say, but what I can say is, during times of war, which is inevitable, the loss in production in order to sooth the peacemongers far outweighs any marginal benefits you may have accrued during times of peace.
Peteus
All good things...
I don't think the peaceniks are any more militant under Democracy than Republic, but I could be wrong. Besides some improvement in corruption, the big benefit of Democracy is the 50% increase in industriousness for your workers!
Oh, and it prevents propaganda...but the AI never has enough money for that anyway, really!
Oh, and it prevents propaganda...but the AI never has enough money for that anyway, really!
In a recent war that dragged on for many many turns, my democracy collapsed. Had enough happiness to keep cities from disorder, but it collapsed anyway. Was able to continue only in Republic.
Meanwhile, during a brief lull, I checked Russia and found her in Communism. France had become aggressive, but when I checked her, she was in anarchy. Stayed that way for at least 8 turns, and then I never checked again. I don't know if she was just in revolution, or what was going on. Anyway, she stopped being a threat.
guess i better go look when I go back to thegame, and see what the aztecs are doing. I am in republic, and it is becoming difficult, but I cant quit until my 20 yr pacts run out. Well, I could, but dont want to take the hit.
Meanwhile, during a brief lull, I checked Russia and found her in Communism. France had become aggressive, but when I checked her, she was in anarchy. Stayed that way for at least 8 turns, and then I never checked again. I don't know if she was just in revolution, or what was going on. Anyway, she stopped being a threat.
guess i better go look when I go back to thegame, and see what the aztecs are doing. I am in republic, and it is becoming difficult, but I cant quit until my 20 yr pacts run out. Well, I could, but dont want to take the hit.
Crazy Jerome
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In my experience, two conditions have to be met for the AI to go for republic: 1) The AI civ in question has republic (duh) , and 2) It has been at peace for some time and can reasonably expect to stay that way.
In particular, I had one game on Regent, 12 civs, where there were no wars at all for well over 100 turns in the middle ages. I had traded Republic to the other civs. Every surviving civ at that point (9 of them) was a republic.
, and 2) It has been at peace for some time and can reasonably expect to stay that way.In particular, I had one game on Regent, 12 civs, where there were no wars at all for well over 100 turns in the middle ages. I had traded Republic to the other civs. Every surviving civ at that point (9 of them) was a republic.
Moulton, this is the first valid argument to go Republic after the discovery of Democracy!
btw, how did your Democracy collapse? I've been playing quite long wars on Democracy with no collapse. Had all luxuries though and good unit output.
I wish I knew. It took me totally by surprise. It was a major consideratoin in II, but never had it happen here. Any anyway, just in case, I always correct rioting on the same turn, just in case it might collapse the gov, or they burn down the only happiness generator they can find.. Even if they starve... if they wont work, I cant force-feed them. No point letting them burn down the marketplace. Not that that is unrealistic... it happened in Detroit and Los Angeles that I am aware of, and probably other places as well.
I had no continuouos unhappiness -- to the point of chaos and rioting -- and many cities in WLTK. I think two things. One, the LOOOOOOOOOOOOng war. Russia was about half as big as me when I started, and had to stop and put down a couple of brushwars. The other thing, I think there were just too many foreingn conquered cities. Total city count about 100, only about 20 or them built by me. And Almost ALL the conquered cities were one shield, so my core was carrying the deadheads.
Happened twice. Down for a few turns, then collapsed again after only about 2 turns. Thats when I went back to rep.
I had no continuouos unhappiness -- to the point of chaos and rioting -- and many cities in WLTK. I think two things. One, the LOOOOOOOOOOOOng war. Russia was about half as big as me when I started, and had to stop and put down a couple of brushwars. The other thing, I think there were just too many foreingn conquered cities. Total city count about 100, only about 20 or them built by me. And Almost ALL the conquered cities were one shield, so my core was carrying the deadheads.
Happened twice. Down for a few turns, then collapsed again after only about 2 turns. Thats when I went back to rep.
Magnus
Diplocat
The Republic is great for war! I have given up completely on Communism and Monarchy, because I forget about the garrison rule. As soon as war starts I start moving my armies from my cities and suddenly half my empire goes into diorder! With Republic, you can empty your cvities and be just fine. The exra trade pays for the army and more. Its an awesome powerful government.
