[IS THIS A BUG?] Corporation HQ gives income when in State Property

[DrJambo]

Is this a bug? SP says corporations have no effect, yet even though you can't build executuives, nor reap the effects of any corporations, you still the get the income from the HQ...

Seems strange.

 

[DrJambo]

I should clarify -

It's just the working foreign corps (i.e. in other civs without SP or Mercantilism) that were providing the HQ income. My own branches were shut down. I just wanted to know if that's supposed to be the case?

Save attached (I have Cristo Redentor so it's easy to test).

 

[weregamer]

Yup, that sounds correct to me. The franchises still function in the foreign cities, it would be crippling if they got the advantages from those franchises but you didn't get the cash.

 

[jkp1187]

Yup, that sounds correct to me. The franchises still function in the foreign cities, it would be crippling if they got the advantages from those franchises but you didn't get the cash.

Sounds like a bug to me. State Property = no corporations. SP has its own (quite well-publicized) advantages. To give it any income from corporations at all is ridiculous.

 

[H&K]

Sounds like a bug to me. State Property = no corporations. SP has its own (quite well-publicized) advantages. To give it any income from corporations at all is ridiculous

Dont see why. BT, BP BA etc were all state property, and acted like corperation when abraod.
All thats happend is that the corperation headquaters state has sudeenly become State owned. This wouldnt force overseas franchises would need to close.
If the US Government took control of Macdonalds, would the Paris Resturant (haha) have to close?

 

[mrt144]

Dont see why. BT, BP BA etc were all state property, and acted like corperation when abraod.
All thats happend is that the corperation headquaters state has sudeenly become State owned. This wouldnt force overseas franchises would need to close.
If the US Government took control of Macdonalds, would the Paris Resturant (haha) have to close?

think about game balance issues for a second. why should SP collect on something that is the antithesis of it's civic and negates anything related to the corp mechanism. its a loophole and exploit.

 

[jkp1187]

think about game balance issues for a second. why should SP collect on something that is the antithesis of it's civic and negates anything related to the corp mechanism. its a loophole and exploit.

Exactly. Keep the econ arguments to the Off Topic forum; this is purely about game balance, and SP is supposed to negate corporations -- period. No benefits from them, no founding, nothing.

 

[H&K]

The effect as is is enough, you cannot spread the corperation at all, and you loose all benifits from any franchises in you nation, or any other nation with SP
The franchises in nations not running SP still function, why should they stop working just because their parent company is now state owned.

We can continue to debatye if its an incorrect game balance issue, but the fact that it already "mimincs" the real life situation, would religate it to "Not a Bug"

think about game balance issues for a second. why should SP collect on something that is the antithesis of it's civic and negates anything related to the corp mechanism. its a loophole and exploit.

Well SP states do, as my examples show. They would be loath maybe to spread the corperation, but its existance abroad were it takes money from the capitalist pigs, would be seen as a state asset

 

[lroumen]

It is very likely intended to work this way.

Religious Shrines also provide you with benefits even if you do not have that particular religion as a starte religion. If the Corporation Headquarters bonuses are a bug, then so are the bonuses that a Religious Shrine provides.

If you want to balance State Property by removing the corporation HQ bonuses, then you must also remove the religious Shrine bonuses

 

[shazbotian]

This sounds fine to me. If the other civ doesn't like that you are getting money from them, they can go SP too.

Its like a bunch of other things; if you go emancipation, they can decide whether they want to take the hit or not. If you build the AP, they can decide whether to ignore you or try to spread your religion to get more votes.

I figure, if they are getting the benefits of the corp, you ought to get the cash for it!

 

[jkp1187]

The effect as is is enough, you cannot spread the corperation at all, and you loose all benifits from any franchises in you nation, or any other nation with SP
The franchises in nations not running SP still function, why should they stop working just because their parent company is now state owned.

We can continue to debatye if its an incorrect game balance issue, but the fact that it already "mimincs" the real life situation, would religate it to "Not a Bug"

Well SP states do, as my examples show. They would be loath maybe to spread the corperation, but its existance abroad were it takes money from the capitalist pigs, would be seen as a state asset

Fine hypothesis, but if the game was meant to emulate state-owned corporations, the benefits from the corps would still be available domestically as well. The design intent really seems to be that SP turns off all of the benefits and drawbacks of corporations -- period. I think this was just an oversight.

 

[H&K]

the benefits from the corps would still be available domestically as well

And steal from our Socialist Brothers?
No, Its OK to steal from capitalists but not our siblings in the strugle.
Homeland coperations become state run, and are run for the benifit of the people (and often badly), Overseas francises are run to take advantage of the selfish capitalist pig dogs.

 

[Galatian]

Fine hypothesis, but if the game was meant to emulate state-owned corporations, the benefits from the corps would still be available domestically as well. The design intent really seems to be that SP turns off all of the benefits and drawbacks of corporations -- period. I think this was just an oversight.

I don't think it is emulating state-owned corporations, since it is really not the player who is building the corporation, but a great personality. Imho I would go with the arguments that it is not a bug.

 

[mrt144]

It is very likely intended to work this way.

Religious Shrines also provide you with benefits even if you do not have that particular religion as a starte religion. If the Corporation Headquarters bonuses are a bug, then so are the bonuses that a Religious Shrine provides.

If you want to balance State Property by removing the corporation HQ bonuses, then you must also remove the religious Shrine bonuses

what a bogus analogy considering religions and corps arent the same. you dont even get credit for trying.

 

[lroumen]

what a bogus analogy considering religions and corps arent the same. you dont even get credit for trying.

Because religion spreading and religious workings were becoming ineffective and not very useful late game, they introduced the concept of Corporations. The analogy is not made by me, it was made by Firaxis. Hence, give me a good reason why their HQ should be working differently when switching civics.

And don't give me the excuse that they consume resources and provide other resources or bonuses. Religions provide similar types of bonuses (providing buildings with bonuses to happiness, research and gold for the 'HQ', i.e. shrine)

 

[jkp1187]

Because religion spreading and religious workings were becoming ineffective and not very useful late game, they introduced the concept of Corporations. The analogy is not made by me, it was made by Firaxis. Hence, give me a good reason why their HQ should be working differently when switching civics.

And don't give me the excuse that they consume resources and provide other resources or bonuses. Religions provide similar types of bonuses (providing buildings with bonuses to happiness, research and gold for the 'HQ', i.e. shrine)

This is all completely true and completely irrelevant. In the game, State Property does not cancel the effects of religions -- nothing (not even Free Religion or Paganism) does that. However, State Property is supposed to cancel the effects of Corporations. Why would State Property cancel every effect of the corporation except one? That really doesn't make any sense.

We know that Firaxis piggybacked the code for Religions when building Corporations (see the Apolyton Podcast with Trip for confirmation). This really appears to me to have been a simple oversight in terms of game balance.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

, State Property is supposed to cancel the effects of Corporations.

No its not, State Property is supposed to cancel the effects of corporation IN Your cities

The alternative is that when a State Propert government gets control of a Corporate HQ, that corporation doesn't work Anymore, Anywhere, for Anyone.

however, the corporate officies are still running in the other civ's cities, so you continue to collect gold... that 5 gold is from those offices, not from anything in your State Property civ.